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26 December 2007
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--- Log opened Wed Dec 26 00:00:48 2007
01:59 <****> is tcp port 5000 upnp exploitable
02:12 <****> yes
02:24 <****> do you know some about upnp, how do i tell the version of software running
02:24 <****> i ran an exploit against it, but it didn't kick back the shell
02:30 <****> i think this is a host with the windows firewall running
02:32 <****> it's some person hacking stuff, sending like 20,000 pings to all the ip's. i don't think it's a bot
03:55 <****> hey all
03:55 <****> merry christmas to everyone
03:59 <****> and to you and yours
04:24 <****> evening all
04:24 * jhuebel is a fairly new CCNP
04:30 <****> jhuebel: congrats
04:30 <****> nemith: thanks :-) I was a CCNA some years ago, but decided to go one step further this time around.
04:30 <****> hi,ppl
04:31 <****> Averaged ~900 on each test. 938 on my BSCI.
04:31 <****> hiya Midas
04:41 <****> jhuebel, you there
04:42 <****> tell please, how much CCNA in your country?
04:43 <****> 125 for the one test iirc
04:43 <****> it's on the cisco website
04:44 <****> thx
04:44 <****> thats USD btw
04:44 <****> sorry
04:47 <****> I think it cost me $150.
04:48 <****> Could be wrong though.
04:48 <****> Company paid for it.
04:48 <****> i took it almost 5 years ago
04:48 <****> yikes
04:50 <****> Yeah, all tests are $150 each now, I believe.
04:50 <****> hmm
04:50 <****> So CCNA could cost $150 for the combined test (which is harder) or $300 for the two-part route.
04:51 <****> My understanding is CCNA got a lot harder after November 6th, too.
04:51 <****> jhuebel, you took ont and icsw?
04:51 <****> yup
04:51 <****> i am taking ont next week, and need to take icsw. question on the ont
04:51 <****> Those were easy enough.
04:51 <****> BSCI is the hardest, by far.
04:51 <****> i am getting tons of auto-qos and wireless questions, but it is mostly other stuff on the exam right?
04:52 <****> routing and switching make more sense to me than wireless and firewall stuff, but i hear ya
04:52 <****> No, there's a lot of wireless and auto-qos too.
04:53 <****> damn, why would they test you on auto-qos
04:53 <****> Granted, they may have changed the test since I last took it, though.
04:53 <****> i have the actual qos down, i don't understand auto-qos
04:53 <****> its automatic
04:53 <****> dont question it
04:53 <****> You just need to know what auto-qos turns on, etc.
04:53 <****> well switch auto-qos or router auto-qos
04:54 <****> there's tons of questions on auto-qos in the sample tests i am taking, like 30 percent of the test is auto-qos
04:54 * Unter_ is being most unhelpful - sorry
04:54 <****> What sample tests are you using?
04:54 <****> you need cef, because auto-qos uses nbar, and nbar uses cef
04:54 <****> If you have the money, I'd highly recommend getting Pass4Sure.
04:54 <****> QoS uses CEF too
04:54 <****> how do you implement auto-qos, discover (command), then auto-qos command?
04:55 <****> id recommend you actually learn the content rather than brain dumping
04:55 <****> nemith: but you can do qos without cef
04:55 <****> hey nemith, merry xmas, wb!
04:55 <****> Nitrate: gracias
04:55 <****> dwxreaper: there are parts of it that requrire CEF iirc
04:55 <****> jheubel: that's what i'm using
04:55 <****> Well, I learned the material. But a brain dump doesn't hurt just before the test.
04:55 <****> QoS itself is just a blanket term and doesn't mean anythign really
04:56 <****> nemith, yeah, i know nbar requires it. qos seems platform dependent to
04:56 <****> like you implement with mqc, mls qos, or different commands
04:56 <****> dwxreaper: If it's in Pass4Sure, make sure you know it.
04:56 <****> and some have to do with hardware
04:56 <****> dwxreaper: well you have to seperate your catagories
04:56 <****> hardware router/switch vs software router
04:57 <****> nemith: so hardware would use mls qos, if the qos is implemented in hardware?
04:57 <****> hardware platforms are going to be highly platform dependant
04:57 <****> software will be all the same
04:57 <****> dwxreaper: yes and no, it all depends on the hardware
04:57 <****> well that sheds some light
04:57 <****> i see network academy has some misinformation as usual
04:57 <****> this is what they say:
04:57 <****> Unter_: I understand why people dislike Pass4Sure. I do feel a little dirty using it.
04:58 <****> jhuebel: as you should
04:58 <****> to avoid congestion queuing mechanims are enabled in the hardware buffer of the outgoing interface
04:58 <****> memorizing test options is not a valid test of your skills to hold that certification
04:58 <****> i borrowed a friends once and I will never do it again
04:58 <****> but that is txQ or transmit_ring (from show controllers), which you should rarely change, not queue mechanisms like llq
04:59 <****> anyone who says they have a lot of cisco certs and used p4s or tk are usually idiots
04:59 <****> nemith: Fair comment.
04:59 <****> they reasoning is "Well i am good at _______ and cisco's test are unfair"
04:59 <****> that's a pretty wrong statement in the material imo, because of the reason above
05:00 <****> dwxreaper: there is a software queue before the Tx_ring
05:00 <****> dwxreaper: if the tx_ring is not full CBWFQ or LLQ is bypassed and the packets is placed directly on the ring
05:00 <****> nemith: yeah i wrote the stuff about transmit_ring, they said what was above
05:01 <****> back on testking and p4s... they do nothing but devaule the certification
05:01 <****> i was reading the cisco press book about it. has to be the right size, to small or to big matters for the hardware queue size
05:01 <****> people are supposed to fail tests..
05:01 <****> that what makes people who pass "special"
05:01 <****> i don't think you can pass from memorizing the questions with testking
05:01 <****> dwxreaper: well that is hardware dependant
05:02 <****> nemith: Certainly true. Then again, paying $150 to retest is something I'm not prepared to do as a single-income family.
05:02 <****> dwxreaper: i belive you are describing particle buffers
05:02 <****> nemith: says you can change txQ under the interface with a command, although it's rarely changed
05:02 <****> nemith: Not to say that I use P4S to learn which checkboxes to check either.
05:02 <****> dwxreaper: but the TX_ring is really just a linked list with pointers pointing to the particle buffers
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