#mysql
20 October 2007
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04:53 <****> pkrumins: you should use 5.0
04:53 <****> pkrumins: It's new. It's cool. It's not 4.1.x. :)
04:53 <****> kk, gonna get the rpm
04:53 <****> Chicks digs it
04:53 <****> sweeet.
04:53 <****> sensei: upgrading across major versions for no good reason is a poor idea
04:53 <****> and the rain is starting to pour here.
04:53 <****> where
04:54 <****> Eastern NY.
04:54 <****> whew, ok, i live nowhere near there
04:54 <****> was raining like hell here in seattle today
04:54 <****> and then there was sun!
04:55 <****> and then rain. and then sun! and then more rain, and wind, and then sun
04:55 <****> reportedly, there was hilin the morning! :)
04:55 <****> Nice warm day today and then Canada apparently needed to send us this cold front. Damn Canadians.
04:55 <****> whoa. hail. in. the morning.
04:55 <****> frickin canada, yeah man
04:55 <****> normally the weather here goes *up* there, i think, so maybe you can take some solace in that by some cross-continental connection we share as 'mericuns
04:57 * Xgc mumbles something about better border control would have prevented this.
04:58 <****> Although, that cold air they send us during ski season is appreciated.
04:59 <****> litheum: So is waiting until you absolutely need it as well
04:59 <****> Xgc, yea, well i'm stuck in a dorm and cant control the heat, they won't turn it off :(
04:59 <****> litheum: You want time to plan and follow through with an upgrade, I'm not saying upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I was juts splitting hairs with what you said :)
04:59 <****> or rahter, how you said it
04:59 <****> edman007: Isn't that typical? No heat in the winter and then like magic, it pops on in the summer.
05:00 <****> sensei: if you've been on 4.1 for a while, a couple years, the chance that you will suddenly *need* to migrate away from it is so low that it's almost certainly better in every way to stay where you are
05:00 <****> Xgc, yea :(
05:00 <****> litheum: You can't generalise like that
05:00 <****> sensei: yeah, plan to upgrade when you roll out the next version of your application, which is hopefully before all of your infrastructure is obsolete :)
05:00 <****> completely depends on your organization, application and other factors
05:01 <****> Little factors like "requirements".
05:06 <****> requirements!
05:07 <****> requirements.
05:08 <****> what do requirements have to do with upgrading to a version of some infrastructure component not even *conceived of* when you deployed your project?
05:09 <****> What does the following warning mean: warning: ./MySQL-server-community-5.0.45-0.rhel4.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 5072e1f5, when running rpm -qlp ./My*
05:09 <****> you require that your application be upgraded to the *latest* version of an infrastructure compenent even if it will fundamentally break your application? insane.
05:09 <****> litheum: Forecasting future requirements
05:09 <****> Not necessarily no, but it should be contemplated
05:09 <****> sensei: there's absolutely no way to have forecasted any of the incompatible change of 5.0 when you designed and implemented your project against MySQL 4.1
05:10 <****> i understand what you're saying to some extent, but i think you're going about justifying it the wrong way entirely
05:10 <****> I'm not talking about incompatibility, I'm talking about forecasting future needs for the application in terms of features etc.
05:11 <****> irrelevant
05:11 <****> you don't know when you're implementing against 4.1 what the features available in 5.0 or 5.1 will be
05:11 <****> But it's obvious that one should upgrade before the *need* is there.
05:12 <****> 5.0 meant overhauling code for a lot of people]
05:12 <****> that's fine, but it's something that not everybody should undertake, becuase there's simply no reason for a functional platform to upgrade to the latest version of some infrastructure component
05:12 <****> What I'm saying is that you - as a sysadmin - don't want to be caught with your trousers down and have to do an infrastructure upgrade overnight
05:12 <****> You want to forsee it and plan it in advance
05:13 <****> I'm not necessarily talking about the latest
05:13 <****> Testing environments rock!
05:13 <****> seekwill: indeed
05:13 * seekwill buys shares in VMware
05:14 <****> vmware consistently blows my mind
05:14 <****> In a good or bad way?
05:14 <****> good!
05:14 <****> Woohoo!
05:14 <****> it's amazing
05:14 <****> Where do I find the public key for mysql?
05:14 <****> Public key for MySQL-server-community-5.0.45-0.rhel4.i386.rpm is not installed
05:14 <****> Then I'll buy more shares!
05:14 <****> when trying to rpm -i MySQL-server*
05:14 <****> or yum install it
05:14 <****> pkrumins: If you're not anally retentive, you can override the gpg checking
05:14 <****> seekwill: does that mean you put particular faith in my judgment :-P
05:15 <****> litheum: Yes!
05:15 <****> that will be enough :)
05:15 <****> pkrumins: heh, i'm not sure there's a public key available that would resolve this for you
05:15 <****> seekwill: adorable!
05:15 * seekwill is high on litheum
05:15 <****> does yum allow disabling yum checking
05:15 <****> rpm --nosignature -i
05:15 <****> seekwill: did Therion put you up to this? ;)
05:15 <****> litheum, as mysql.com is providing those rpms, they should have their public key somewhere
05:16 <****> sensei, does yum use the same database as rpm?
05:16 <****> pkrumins: they sure should! maybe they do, even
05:16 <****> i mean if i rpm install a package, would it show up in yum?
05:16 <****> pkrumins: Well, yum uses rpm :)
05:16 <****> ah, right
05:16 <****> thank you, thank you.
05:16 <****> pkrumins: ooh, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/checking-rpm-signature.html
05:16 <****> ah
05:16 <****> how did you find it so quickly?
05:16 <****> litheum: Of course not
05:17 <****> pkrumins: i searched google for "mysql public key"!
05:17 <****> I'm going to get a new harddrive: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/669.html
05:17 <****> pkrumins: frickin google, man, get with /the times/
05:18 <****> hah
05:19 <****> actually, get with /five years ago/
05:19 <****> i already have jupiter's core spinning for my data storage
05:19 <****> litheum ;)
05:19 <****> chadmaynard would say Jupiter doesn't have a core
05:20 <****> chadmaynard would say Jupiter is a giant black hole
05:20 <****> chadmaynard might be asleep
05:20 <****> chadmaynard is an astrophysicist?
05:21 <****> chadmaynard is a blackhole
05:22 <****> and has sucked himself in
05:22 <****> Is chadmaynard a storage engine?
05:22 <****> chadmaynard is monkey supreme with extra steak sauce
05:22 * litheum is not sure he knows chadmaynard this well
05:24 <****> I am compiling PHP, what is the difference between mysqli and mysql?
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