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14 November 2007
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10:09 <****> mickeyl, thx
10:10 <****> The listview that is scrolled with fingers is that a standard gtktreeview with added scrolling capabilities or a custom widget?
10:10 <****> good morning
10:12 <****> anders_, it's a custom wifget
10:13 <****> MokoFingerScroll, you can embed any widget in that to make it finger-scrolling aware
10:13 <****> Ok, thanks.
10:15 * ScaredyCat embeds a checkbox widget in it...
10:15 <****> morning all
10:16 <****> Morning you lazy ass.. ;)
10:16 <****> :)
10:19 <****> Is it preferred that we code in C for programs for OM, or is python gonna be okay for gui stuff too?
10:20 <****> I know _very_ little C, and python is way easier and like it more, i'm just thinking about performance
10:21 <****> flexd: I'd start in python if I was you :)
10:21 <****> CM: good, because that's what i've done :<
10:21 <****> One tiny thing annoying me though
10:22 <****> the gui blocks :(
10:22 * zash needs to learn more languages
10:22 <****> flexd: But ask mickeyl or so for a definitive answer
10:22 <****> I was thinking of trying to make a gtk debug console for my python bot
10:22 <****> just for trying out gtk
10:22 <****> zash: Me too, or at least get better at many
10:22 <****> but the damn window blocks the rest of my code :'(
10:22 <****> but bbl meeting
10:22 <****> flexd, how does the window block?
10:23 <****> when i run gtk.main()
10:23 <****> i *suppose* i could run gtk.main() in a thread
10:23 <****> but dunno how that would affect everything :<
10:23 <****> ah now I know what you mean
10:23 <****> well python is perfect for gui ^^
10:23 <****>
10:23 <****> mickeyl is of the same opinion I suppose
10:23 <****> i like it
10:24 <****> but bbl gotta go people asking form e :/
10:24 <****> python seems to be the one people go for here, evn though it's slower than a slow thing, that lives in slow town
10:24 <****> ScaredyCat, not really - only startup takes 2 secs on my neo
10:24 <****> debug shells in python are simple
10:24 <****> i did on w/ Qt a couple of years ago
10:25 <****> basically you just need to do a gfx terminal shell
10:25 <****> then you have the command prompt from within the main loop
10:25 <****> openmoko should support .net - then it could get all the whiners from that other not-to-be-named platform that only supports java :-)
10:26 <****> mickeyl: I tell you what, the openmoko community list is like a precise technical discussion compared to that other mob's "developer" list.
10:26 <****> isnt there ppl working on porting mono already?
10:27 <****> rwhitby: heh. you have a point, yeah
10:27 * mickeyl presents the shiny new fullscreen power meun
10:27 <****> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/eb838b77fab8df226b5c5cd7d48ed171.png
10:27 <****> text so big your grandma can read it
10:27 <****> hey
10:27 <****> i heard that homyx debricked his board.
10:27 <****> ScaredyCat, to slowness: yesterday I hacked together this GUI http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/pyPhone_Dialer.png and switching between tabs is not instant but it's also not instant in any other openmoko app and I fell NO differnece in speed once the app is loaded
10:28 <****> ScaredyCat: you know what homyx ended up doing?
10:28 <****> yes torpor
10:28 <****> i guess i'll check my logs too, but i'm desperate to get my neo debricked.
10:28 <****> it seems that there are just as many people who can't install a JRE, eclipse and a plugin as there are people who had trouble with getting OE working ...
10:28 <****> rwhitby:!
10:28 <****> rwhitby: got any hints for a debricker session?
10:28 <****> mickeyl, yeah nice!
10:28 <****> plug it in, turn on the neo, keep doing reset connect reset connect with open ocd until it works
10:29 <****> i've been trying for 3 days to get my neo debricked. i burned a bad uboot.
10:29 <****> you wont get much indication that hte neo is on, at all
10:29 <****> ScaredyCat: so you just keep doing reset/connect/reset/connect on the board, or the ribbon cable?
10:29 <****> torpor: where are you at? got a pastebin of openocd output?
10:29 <****> board, not cable
10:29 <****> coz my ribbon cable is *FRAGILE* .. damn FIC for using such crap connectors!
10:29 <****> torpor: reset switch on board, and run openocd
10:29 <****> rwhitby: "JTAG results 0x00 check cable"
10:29 <****> ahh there..
10:29 <****> torpor: nothing with cable
10:29 <****> keep doing it
10:30 <****> until it connects
10:30 <****> apparently
10:30 <****> okay we did that a lot last night too but i guess i gotta do it longer
10:30 * XorA normally takes about 5 attempts to get it right
10:30 <****> i don't have my rig in front of me right now - just got a mail that it was fixed with homyx, so i guess i'm gonna try again today
10:30 <****> really lame though.
10:30 <****> okay guys thanks for the headsup ..
10:30 <****> it's like having sex with a sheep, eventually you find the right method ;)
10:30 <****> torpor: are you sure the battery is charged, and did you push the power button to power up the CPU before trying to connect via jtag?
10:30 <****> rwhitby: yes.
10:31 <****> actually not sure about the batteries .. we need a working neo to charge them.
10:31 <****> i think they don't get charged in the crashed neos we have now..
10:31 <****> but okay i will try again this evening .. let you know. gotta go now.
10:31 <****> hope we can get it fixed.
10:31 <****> ok
10:32 <****> torpor in emergency you can use a charged nokia battery
10:32 <****> rwhitby: has been hard, we haven't had any jtag experts around.
10:32 <****> okay, i'm out.
10:32 <****> later!
10:32 <****> josch: yes, but still slow - try it without the images on top
10:33 <****> ScaredyCat, what images?
10:33 <****> the gtk eyecandy
10:33 <****> yu mean the icons on the bottom
10:34 <****> iirc move your gtkrc out of the way and reboot
10:34 <****> mickeyl: much more finger friendly
10:34 <****> ScaredyCat, but then this is a gtk issue and not python
10:35 <****> yes, but that'll allow you to see the speed difference between a c app and a python app clearly
10:36 <****> okay, will try
10:36 <****> ScaredyCat, /usr/share/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ?
10:37 <****> yeah, think that's it... just mv it to a different name
10:37 <****> rebooting
10:37 <****> you probbly could have just restarted the wm, but hey :P
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