#openmoko
26 December 2007
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11:59 <****> uptime
12:14 <****> are there any network settings needed for svn ?
12:17 <****> sreekanth, svn+ssh is temporarily not working, if that is what you are currently using
12:24 <****> hi! any kernel hackers around?
12:24 <****> I put debian on my sdhc flash and booted it with the kernel in flash
12:24 <****> everything perfect, can ssh in and everything
12:24 <****> but there ist no /dev/fb0
12:25 <****> so how do I activate framebuffer in the openmoko kernel?
12:25 <****> since it works with the openmoko rootf it seems I'm missing something
12:26 <****> I tried copying /lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/ from openmoko to debian but
12:26 <****> josch, enable it in "make menuconfig" ? can you post your kernel .config to pastebin.ca or rafb.net?
12:26 <****> aside from not complaining over a missing modules.dep anymore framebuffer still not works
12:26 <****> mbuf, it'ts the stock kernel
12:27 <****> this one: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/
12:29 <****> so since I have framebuffer in openmoko I though that there is nothing preventing its loading?
12:32 <****> josch, lsmod | grep fb ? or "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep fb"
12:32 <****> josch, on the target Neo
12:32 <****> josch, i haven't tried fb on the Neo though
12:33 <****> lsmod | grep fb returned nothing if executed in openmoko
12:33 <****> neither does the second command
12:35 <****> mbuf, framebuffer works flawless in openmoko - played a lot of videos with mplayer in it
12:37 <****> mbuf, do you know someone which might be able to help with this problem?
12:38 <****> josch, not sure; i am not sure which module it is for the Neo;
12:40 <****> so you suspect a module missing?
12:40 <****> I also thought of this so I copied the whole modules dir from openmoko to debian but without success
12:46 <****> hi
12:54 <****> um
12:54 <****> viagra adds in the mailinglist? :P
12:55 <****>
12:55 <****> *new
12:56 <****> seems so :)
12:56 <****> ^^
15:17 <****> merry christmas!
15:19 <****> And to you too :)
15:24 <****> hello everyone merry christmas...is there any news for the fate of the current gsmd...especially the dbus based gsmd2 as the de facto for the neo...(discounting PhoneServer)
16:01 <****> openmoko: laforge * r3735 /trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: fix GTA02 gsm power switching (Sean Chiang)
16:13 <****> +1 to Sup3rkiddo's question :-)
17:20 <****> just the basics
17:43 <****> hi all...has svn at projects.openmoko.org been fixed yet
17:46 <****> Sup3rkiddo: does not work here
17:47 <****> zilux: hmmm...dang..thanks for checking
17:53 <****> hi
17:53 <****> hi
19:20 <****> Does anyone know what ipk provides the python cgi module?
19:20 <****> I don't see python_cgi*.ipk on any server I've checked
19:28 <****> hey all...the messages GUI doesnt have sms sending stuff yet..does it?
19:51 <****> wurp2: from a comment in a python bitbake
19:51 <****> python-simplejson_1.7.1.bb:7:# python-netserver is needed for cgi stuff
19:52 <****> zilux: Thanks much!
19:52 <****> Now I need to learn enough about how all the openmoko build stuff is put together so I can figure that stuff out myself :-)
19:53 <****> not very far from this state, here :-)
19:54 <****> Right now my main goal is to get pyroute working on my neo and reading the gllin output properly
20:08 <****> this thng looks cool! would be interesting to have penmoko running on it !
20:08 <****> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3871478989.html
20:08 <****> It doesn't work as well as you think.
20:08 <****> The connectors kill you.
20:09 <****> And the multiple power supplies and cases.
20:09 <****> SpeedEvil: looks like u already tried it ?
20:09 <****> No, I've looked into it.
20:09 <****> SpeedEvil: ok
20:09 <****> The fundamental problem is that stuff is different sizes.
20:10 <****> SpeedEvil: like ?
20:10 <****> For example, if you put it on at build time, an accelerometer takes up 3*4mm of PCB space and costs maybe $2-3
20:10 <****> If you've got to add it as a module on a generic bus, the connectors alone will cost that.
20:10 <****> oh!
20:11 <****> If you want to be able to put a camera on the expansion, then you need a comparatively fast bus with lots of wires.
20:11 <****> Which is fine pitch, and won't have lots of mating cycles before it fails.
20:11 <****> SpeedEvil: valid oint
20:12 <****> SpeedEvil: s/oint/point
20:12 <****> this means that the rest of the hardware has to be built to close tollerances to allow the connector to mate properly. And the camera now has to be static protected, it's not automatically done by being in circuit, ...
20:12 <****> SpeedEvil: any link to the actual manufacturer?
20:12 <****> It's a nice idea - but will not be cheaper.
20:12 <****> 'A New York-based startup is readying'
20:13 <****> ok
20:13 <****> In other words, they haven't got any working yet
20:13 <****> ok
20:13 <****> and no prices or availability sorted.
20:13 <****> These sort of problems can be solved in volume. The problem is getting the volume is hard.
20:13 <****> u mean still in "alpha" ?
20:13 <****> yes
20:13 <****> the bits they've got look very mockup
20:14 <****> what is the connector ?
20:14 <****> usb ?
20:14 <****> of course does not look like a standard usb
20:15 <****> The only advantage I see is that the same gadgets might be connectable to a regular pc/ laptop
20:25 <****> That idea is b0rked.
20:25 <****> Maybe as a toy or something alike (like Legos), but not as anything serious.
20:25 <****> The modules take too much space and cost a lot, compared to what they do.
20:26 <****> And then, Lego Technic and Creator series do that part just fine, so I don't see much room for competition there.
20:27 <****> There's also BASIC Stamp series of microcontrollers, sensors and robotics, for those who want to tinker more.
20:28 <****> cool!
20:29 <****> A serial bus can help a fair bit. USB2 is a pretty good match.
20:29 <****> It addresses most of the concerns.
20:29 <****> but raises more.
20:45 <****> wurp2: navit here.
20:46 <****> I much prefer python for apps to C
20:46 <****> except for the places that profiling shows as an issue
20:46 <****> And as a bonus I can do little hacks on my neo directly, or so I hope
20:47 <****> is it possible to turn the display of the neo off?
21:32 <****> I'm pulling the trigger this weekend and getting the base model Neo.. I see that it includes the 512MB microSD card, but the picture shows a microSD adapater... Is the adapter not needed or does the Neo actually have a full size SD slot?
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