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27 December 2007
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08:35 <****> thats not defence, thats madness
08:35 <****> Preparation for world domination :-)
08:36 <****> Twey: yeah, just hope none of the soldiers get shot the hospitals have no spare beds
08:37 <****> what i found even more amusing from the lecture is the US Navy doesn't have enough engineers to put 1/2 of its flotilla of rusting hulks to sea at any one time
08:38 <****> Haha
08:39 <****> Sure sign of a highly competent government.
08:40 <****> well engineering skills in the USA are nose diving so those numbers should get more impressive
08:41 <****> US President " we have the worlds biggest Navy and we will go to war as soon as we out source all the engineers"
08:42 <****> xD
08:43 <****> either that or the engine and navigation rooms start looking like something Matel makes for 12 year olds "If you wish to fire press the big RED! button with BOOM under it"
08:45 <****> Hahaha
10:21 <****> How do I read a SMS that's visible in the frontpage of thje messages app?
10:21 <****> It says 'unknopwn sender\n1 unread\n0 read'
10:33 <****> hello
10:35 <****> i was reading about android, and trying to get some answers.. #android seems idle, but you guys might know :) it seems to me that android is nothing but a improved J2ME thingie, where you can write java-code that runs in this Dalvik VM? I don't actually get full access to the system, nor can i add in new kernel modules, or reload the phone in whatever way I want?
10:35 <****> the only way to interface with the phone is through dalvik?
10:35 <****> As I understand it, yes.
10:35 <****> that sucks ass, i wonder why they didn't just improve the J2ME lib to support all new gadgets instead
10:36 <****> that'd be the same
10:38 <****> so how are things with moko SpeedEvil
10:38 <****> as open as possible
10:38 <****> i mean, how are things going :)
10:39 <****> The hardware is triband not quadband, and the software is at the moment barely functional at best
10:39 <****> sounds excellent
10:39 <****> :)
10:39 <****> i wish i had one for christmas
10:39 <****> well if there was any recent hardware shipping
10:40 <****> Thre is
10:40 <****> There is
10:40 <****> recent? not really
10:40 <****> or rather - you can get GTA01 with minimal delay
10:40 <****> yeah but that's 2005 hardware
10:40 <****> i'm beginning to believe we'll see real world android devices before gta02 ships
10:40 <****> buz: I'd like to strongly disagree.
10:41 <****> there are rumours about the first android-phone releasing in february, anyone know if openmoko is going to try to compete with this, even if it means releasing an unfinished/fully untested hardware?
10:41 <****> Untested hardware - no way.
10:41 <****> That's insane.
10:41 <****> well i mean, gta02 seems to be in pretty good shape even now
10:41 <****> i'm wondering about that wifi driver situation
10:41 <****> with like 5 or so revisions already
10:42 <****> you'd think atheros had a driver you could use for testing the thing...
10:42 <****> even if its not fully open, it should do the job to validate the hardware
10:42 <****> yeah, thats something i find weird too.. i thought you picked that atheros chipset because it already exists gpl'd drivers in kernel tree
10:43 <****> AIUI - for the last version only
10:44 <****> ?
10:44 <****> there are all sorts of competing problems - board space - electrical compatibility - power usage - ...
10:44 <****> AIUI?
10:44 <****> s I Understand it
10:44 <****> oh
10:44 <****> so you are not even certain the final gta02 will use atheros chipset?
10:45 <****> i think that one is settled
10:45 <****> the previosu atheros chipset had an in-kernel driver
10:45 <****> this one does not
10:45 <****> OH MY GOD!!? HOW CAN MY GF'S PHONE BE SO CRAPPY?
10:45 <****> so atheros has no linux driver for this at all?
10:45 <****> As I understand it, no
10:46 <****> I have been wrong about stuff at least twice in the past though.
10:46 <****> maybe it uses one of those firmware drivers?
10:46 <****> then atheros doesnt even test it themselves???
10:46 <****> where you like load some blob into the hw or whatever
10:46 <****> buz: of course they test it - but not with linux
10:46 <****> perhaps they use different OS buz :)
10:47 <****> i thought atheros was out marketing theit stuff for linux, explicitely
10:51 <****> yeah
10:52 <****> im pretty sure they dont rely on windows for testing :)
10:52 <****> but then again, they probably only do asic testing, not full products testing
11:37 <****> Is anyone selling used Neo's ?
11:37 <****> You can still buy new.
11:38 <****> dunno. Ebay/
11:38 <****> None isted at ebay
11:38 <****> listed
11:38 <****> Its not yet in the mass production, right?
11:38 <****> yang: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo
11:38 <****> the GTA01 is for sale
11:38 <****> GTA01 is a prototype ? When is the next edition coming out?
11:39 <****> maybe march
11:39 <****> ok
11:40 * SpeedEvil wonders about a 'smashed screen' neos for sale page.
11:41 <****> there aren't any with smashed screens
11:42 <****> I wonder if Neo's will ever be available for purchase in local stores
11:42 <****> yang: I'd be surprised at seeing any before christmas.
11:42 <****> well if the next edition comes out around march-april I will wait for that
11:43 <****> Getting it in store would be nice
11:43 <****> It is unlikely to be a fully functioning phone with as many features as the most basic $40 phone.
11:43 <****> Otherwise I have to pay too much extras for the customs
11:43 <****> There are of course many features that the phone doesn't have.
11:43 <****> err
11:43 <****> the cheap phone doesn't have, that the neo has.
11:45 <****> i know
12:50 <****> Does anybody know how things are going with the user management stuff in OM?
12:50 <****> Everything isn't going to be run as root forever, right?
12:50 * haakeyar didn't find anything about it on the wiki
13:53 <****> hey zecke how's it going on 24c3 ? :-D
13:54 <****> josch: hehe, I sit somewhere and work on OE :)
13:54 <****> ah rly?
13:54 <****> I'm sitting at A level hacking yolanda (video platform for 24c3 videos)
13:55 <****> hehe, good luck and finish it intime?
13:55 <****> what openmoko guis are around here?
13:55 <****> josch: greetings from dvb-t then :)
13:55 <****> josch: guys?
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