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27 December 2007
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20:40 <****> How would I look in the eye over the phone ?
20:40 <****> if disaster strikes, walk out with your head high
20:40 <****> don't ask on the phone
20:40 <****> I got no other chance
20:40 <****> I won't see her before new year's eve
20:40 <****> I want to ask her out on a date for new year's eve
20:40 <****> use video phone?
20:40 <****> gnome meeting
20:40 <****> ROFL
20:40 <****> Ekiga!
20:40 <****> yes
20:40 <****> :):)
20:41 <****> I asked in the wrong place I'm sure
20:41 <****> It's harder to get turned down then she has to see the pain in your face. :P
20:41 <****> My co-workes are wondering why I'm chuckling so much... they think I'm insane, and chucking at my own code.
20:42 * haakeyar wishes CVirus good luck :-)
20:42 <****> Thank you so much guys
20:42 <****> thanks for the advice too :-D
20:42 <****> CVirus, Seriously, good luck.
20:43 <****> I'll update you in minutes anyways :-D
20:44 * tsuramoto good luck and be yourself :D
20:50 <****> Are you calling her with a Neo1973?
20:50 <****> if so, she can't resist
20:50 <****> openmoko: werner * r3744 /trunk/src/host/devirginator/tests/define: - devirginator/envedit.pl, devirginator/tests/define: added #define directive
20:52 <****> my bad .. it didn't work
20:55 <****> Didn't work as in your phone not functioning or something like that, I hope. :)
20:56 <****> she's going out with another guy
20:56 <****> a guy that doesn't spend most of his time in his room on his computer I'm sure
20:57 <****> CVirus, Wait 5 years. You can be rude to him when he empties your trash cans.
20:57 <****> that was a good one :-)
20:59 <****> That's not knocking out sanitation engineers (Imagine the world without trash pickup!) but that IS to say that "spending time in front of the computer" doesn't mean you're anything more or less than someone else. And that life has a quite ironic way of balancing stuff out.
20:59 <****> it's really ironic .. yeah
21:01 <****> My grandmother hated that I wasted "so much time playing" with "stupid toys" and was upset that I sucked at sports like her sons who were all-american everything they did. I'm not so much of a failure in here eyes now-a-days... I mean, last I checked EVERYWHERE used computers... The market for "Good form half-nelsons" was pretty small.
21:02 <****> Anyway...
21:02 <****> kdean06: how old are you .. may I ask ?
21:02 <****> 13 days till I own a neo. :)
21:02 <****> CVirus, "Old". :)
21:02 <****> Old, married. :P
21:02 <****> 23
21:04 <****> I guess I'll go study
21:11 <****> kdean06: old, my ass
21:11 <****> I have only a few years until my eldest son asks a girl on a date for the first time, ever :-)
21:12 <****> wurp2, I don't, by any means consider myself "old"... Except in context of someone asking someone out for the first time. :)
21:12 <****> CVirus: you should feel proud for going through with it, and ask someone else again, soon!
21:13 <****> CVirus: and don't make it a big deal. Just ask and have a good time. If you put too much expectation on it, they'll be uncomfortable, and you will too
21:13 <****> what? what? put LOTS of pressure on the first question! Marriage in 2 days flat.
21:14 <****> I know when I was dating (long ago) I felt as if I should impress the girl, which was stupid
21:14 * cjb_ie has gotten to feeling a lot older rather quickly.... went from a 21 year old gf, to a 32 year old who has an 8 year old
21:16 <****> :-)
21:16 <****> jumping in at the deep end with step-parenting takes a bit of getting adjusted to
21:17 <****> cjb_ie: you took to step-parenting when the child was 8?
21:17 <****> very recently, yes
21:17 * LarstiQ wonders what that is like
21:17 <****> so far the kid's decided i'm her new best friend. no arguments... yet
21:18 <****> cjb_ie: I'm familiar with being a father to someone else's child, but that was already at birth
21:18 <****> I dated a 31 yr old w/ an 8 year old boy when I was about 21
21:18 <****> cjb_ie: yeah, that can be trick I guess
21:18 <****> I was no kind of step-parent at all, I'm sorry to say
21:18 <****> oh, and she wants a little brother. no pressure on me at all, oh no ;)
21:24 <****> Anyone here used an 8GB SDHC card with the Neo yet? I see several SanDisk mentioned and a note about 8GB ones...
21:26 <****> I saw one 7000+ mb one listed as compatible on the wiki, I thought
21:26 <****> kdean06: I have a 6GB one that seems to work fine
21:27 <****> Someone said earlier that the sim compatibility problems were fixed
21:27 <****> does that mean my 64K smartcard from AT&T should be working? And if so, how can I find out what jffs2 I'm looking for to get that?
21:28 <****> wurp2: Didn't it require a TI firmware update?
21:28 <****> LarstiQ: I dunno, I didn't hear anything about it until just earlier, here.
21:30 <****> wurp2: ah, mwester said that, he's usually well informed.
21:30 <****> Awesome. I'll pick that up this weekend then.
21:30 <****> wurp2: The firmware problem has been found and corrected; delivering it to us (end user types) remains a problem.
21:30 <****> And I also saw the 7000+ one listed.
21:31 <****> Thanks, mwester. I guess I'll just keep checking to see when/how I can get the SIM update.
21:31 <****> If you're in the US, you can ship your neo to Michael Shiloh who has graciously offered to reflash the GSM modem -- or you can wait until the final details are worked out (with TI, I think) to let Openmoko distribute the too to flash the GSM modem.
21:32 <****> s/distribute the too/distribute the tool/
21:32 <****> mwester meant: If you're in the US, you can ship your neo to Michael Shiloh who has graciously offered to reflash the GSM modem -- or you can wait until the final details are worked out (with TI, I think) to let Openmoko distribute the tool to flash the GSM modem.
21:32 <****> thank you, apt (there's a good bot!)
21:32 <****> Oh, *that* update. I probably will send my neo to MShiloh, then - right now I only have a SIM that won't work :-(
21:36 <****> Any documentation on that issue? Is it limited to some specific SIMs or is it a generally broad issue?
21:38 <****> No details on what exactly is involved in the firmware change. The specific issue seems limited to specific SIMs (detailed in the wiki), but there are different versions of the firmware in the field, that seem to depend on when the phone shipped -- so there are other things in the firmware update I suspect.
21:38 <****> I think the list of affected SIMs is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT
21:39 <****> And the bug is http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666
21:39 <****> hehe - *that* bug number. Appropriate, given what AT&T has become ;)
21:40 <****> :-)
21:43 <****> openmoko: andrew * r3745 /trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ar6000.c:
21:43 <****> openmoko: Fix CMD53 opcode bit no.
21:43 <****> openmoko: Implement basic HIF registers.
21:43 <****> openmoko: Implement basic BMI commands.
21:50 <****> openmoko: andrew * r3746 /trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Download rootfs/kernel daily builds by default, instead of OM2007.2.
21:53 <****> Oh, so it's AT&T specific... *phew*
22:07 <****> top
22:08 <****> kdean06: No, we don't know that it's AT&T specific -- it seems more likely to me that it is specific to a feature only found or used by AT&T sims currently -- this problem might pop up elsewhere. So I'll be reflashing mine when I can, even though it seems to accept my older AT&T sims.
22:08 <****> damnit, wrong window.
22:09 <****> Fair enough, mwester. I certainly want to flash where possible, but I'm planning on using an older T-Mobile SIM. I've been waiting for a while to get my Neo, and if I can wait to flash it until there's a "reasonable" expectation the bugs are worked out AND I'm not affected, I'll just wait. :)
22:10 <****> Hrm...
22:11 <****> kdean06: I waited about 3 months, then finally got one
22:12 <****> even with no phone-ness, I'm having a lot of fun with it
22:12 <****> and I'll just either do the shipping to Michael or ask AT&T for a compatible SIM to get phone going
22:14 <****> Does anyone know if there's a reasonably high-level interface to the accelerometer, and if so, where I can find docs?
22:14 <****> you know there isn't onw in GTA01?
22:14 <****> Oh, I though there was 1 in the 01
22:14 <****> and 2 in the 02
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