#openmoko
30 December 2007
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--- Log opened Sun Dec 30 00:00:38 2007
--- Day changed Sun Dec 30 2007
00:00 <****> XorA|gone: that would create a head which is not one of the upstream heads, confusing even more the issue
00:01 <****> XorA|gone: I've just nuked the database and will endure the hour-and-a-half-long download, followed by the multi-hour update
00:01 <****> XorA|gone: but, this time, I've edited the makefile so I won't do a "make update" instead of "make update-bleeding-edge" again
01:16 <****> anyone here living in germany who is A) living in germany and can lend me his debug board for my bricked neo or B) is living in germany and can receive my bricked neo to debrick it with his debigboard
01:16 <****> wtf is bluetooth GPS ?
01:19 <****> josch: do you happen to live near bochum? ;)
01:19 <****> well I would pay for the shipping so it doesn't really matter as long as the person lives in germany
01:19 <****> I live in munich
01:20 <****> CVirus, any gps module that can tell other devices the location over bluetooth
01:20 <****> (Neo can act as one, for instance)
01:21 <****> CVirus, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#RFCOMM
01:21 <****> mjr: you mean other non GPS based devices ?
01:21 <****> josch: thanks for the link
01:22 <****> CVirus, usually
01:23 <****> mjr: Does GPS needs some sort of subscription ? I can't get it to work with my Nokia e61i in Egypt
01:23 <****> need*
01:24 <****> CVirus, doesn't. Some varieties of assisted GPS might not be standalone. Don't know about Nokia.
01:24 <****> The device can't find a GPS satellite !
01:24 <****> I tried with other nokia devices too
01:25 <****> no GPS satellite connection
01:25 <****> did you give it some time under open sky?
01:25 <****> how much time ?
01:26 <****> I once got a signal with some Nokia but by noway it could give me my co-ordinates
01:26 <****> it always fails
01:26 <****> depends, 10 minutes should do
01:26 <****> hmm
01:27 <****> is it possible to get a signal from my room ?
01:27 <****> "Searching for GPS Satellites"
01:28 <****> "GPS not available"
01:28 <****> possible, yes, likely, no
01:28 <****> depends on the room much
01:28 <****> I see
01:28 <****> but it has already searched and found nuthing ... so I assume it's not even looking for a signal now ... why do I have to wait ?
01:29 <****> generally you want line of sight to several satellites to be relatively clear
01:29 <****> I see
01:29 <****> if you change the location alot it can take even hours to get a fix...
01:29 <****> emdete: would couple of meters make difference ?
01:30 <****> it needs to get a lock on what sats are up and then get orbital data which is periodically transferred (unless you have network assist, but I assume not)
01:30 <****> CVirus: not at all. i mean hundrets of kilometers.
01:30 <****> ah k
01:30 <****> ok*
01:30 <****> i now would always use a external antenna. i had bad expiriences with my neo. with an ext. antenne it just works fine
01:31 <****> mine works pretty swell outside
01:31 <****> Under semi-treecover and inside vehicles too. In a bus _and_ in a pocket seems to be pushing it.
01:32 <****> oh, trains are bad :I
01:32 <****> yeah, the old BR trains would be better... wood throughout
01:34 <****> the internal antenne seems to vary from neo to neo...
02:03 <****> does somebody know if dropbear only listens on usb0 or on all networking devices?
02:58 <****> roh: around?
03:33 <****> xzcvczx bareÃly
03:33 <****> whats up?
04:08 <****> what did you use for taking the lcd screen out?
05:58 <****> awww, no cam?
05:58 <****> no
06:00 <****> so, what's the overall feel of the current moko project? How many apps, etc?
06:01 <****> current state* of the moko
06:01 <****> currently rather a work in progress
06:01 <****> i looked at the BB a few months ago and it didn't seem like there was much activity going on
06:05 <****> hmm, not a very talkative bunch...
06:08 <****> reading the intro "what to and not to expect"... definitely looks like there's some work cut out for people here
06:11 <****> mattholimea1: as far as I know, the _base_ software is there, but there was/might still be some issues w/ the gsm modem
06:11 <****> on top of other software just not being implemented yet
06:13 <****> mattholimea1: talkative bunch : lots of people here are from around europe and it's early sunday morning...
07:36 <****> Hello Everybody
07:36 <****> Howdy
07:36 <****> I don't have reliable internet connection,
07:37 <****> Is it possible to build openmoko locally
07:37 <****> Without Network access?
07:39 <****> Anybody there????
07:41 <****> Nope. Nobody here. It's the middle of the night in Europe.
07:42 <****> Or at least very very early on a Sunday morning.
07:42 <****> in answer to your question: No.
07:43 <****> Theoretically, if everything was fetched previously, and all the versions were set in the sanesrcrev files and all, then one should be able to build without a network connection. But I know from experience that this does not work.
07:45 <****> For example, there is at least one recipe that downloads data during the "do_configure" step, which is a broken thing to do, but it's low on the list of things to fix.
10:37 <****> how hard it would be to implement geiger counter into openmoko ?
10:46 <****> pretty hard
10:47 <****> the hardware would have to be pretty small to fit into it ;)
11:17 <****> good morning
11:17 <****> morning Hopscotch
14:15 <****> hi there, anyone on the ccc congress in berlin?
14:38 <****> SpeedEvil: any idea what I could use to try out various map projections?
14:39 <****> does anybody know a good way to stress-test a NIC?
15:00 <****> NFS may be a good test
15:15 <****> Hello Everybody
15:15 <****> I don't have network access in my computer
15:15 <****> can i build openmoko?
15:23 <****> raddy: I'm not sure, you must download source, but even with that, I think some package do svn/cvs/mtn/git checkouts
15:26 <****> here's someone who'd know ;)
15:26 <****> I don't have network access in my computer can i build openmoko?"
15:27 <****> hi mickeyl Looking good right :-) http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg
15:27 <****> raddy: you need a computer with network access to download sources.
15:28 <****> you can build without network access, _if_ you have all sources downloaded
15:30 <****> Someone is working on a moko manual ?
15:31 <****> I'm on the calculator app and I don't know how to go to main screen :)
15:31 <****> short click on power closes an app
15:31 <****> (It's on a T5 so if I must press a button ... )
15:31 <****> starox, click the app name on the top left...a menu should pop up
15:31 <****> Argh !
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