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01 January 2008
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14:15 <****> (if bluetooth is turned off)
14:16 <****> True its id is 0000:0000
14:17 <****> clare_: probalby not 0000:0000, thats often your linux hub
14:18 <****> on the neo, without the bluetooth on, that's the only thing lsusb will show
14:19 <****> unless you've done the patching for host mode, and had something plugged in
14:20 <****> well clare_ should be on the pc-side first right
14:20 <****> if one is to follow wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux
14:21 <****> I believe that first you need to update u-boot if you haven't - as the shipped one diddn't support boot on SD
14:21 <****> I powered up bluetooth from the top panel on the screen,m and now for lsusb -v I get bluetooth device details
14:22 <****> ah
14:25 <****> SpeedEvil, I am running the U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r13_0_2632_0 (Aug 12 2007 - 20:43:36) which is the one ScaredyCat recommends
14:25 <****> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
14:26 <****> I assumne you're reading?
14:28 <****> Aha! now we are getting to it.. I have not done the early part of that, becasue it supposes I have got MokoMakefile going , I would be happy to ask you about that too.
14:28 <****> Ideally, that should be painless.
14:28 <****> What's your CPU?
14:29 <****> So of the things int he first part, is there any way to do them given I have only access basically to the Neo itself?
14:30 <****> I think you should be able to simply copy over the root filesystem.
14:30 <****> Sppedevil it was fairly painless, if slow, Once I got nearly all the way.
14:30 <****> why are you wanting to boot from SD?
14:31 <****> Surely taht is obvious, once I can make it bootfrom SD I can jump back and forward between Fic and Trolltech versions
14:31 <****> No, there are other reasons - which there are workarounds for.
14:31 <****> But not that one.
14:31 <****> without forever flashing - I got the idea somewhere that flashing wears it out
14:32 <****> Not really.
14:32 <****> It's 100000 flashes.
14:32 <****> 1000 for u-boot
14:33 <****> Not that booting off SD isn't a good idea - but it's not required if that's the sole reason.
14:33 <****> eH! of course 1000 is a lot too, but why the difference? does it gradually degrade - worse on boot. it is smaller after all/.
14:34 <****> the bootloader inside teh CPU in ROM doesn't know how to do error correction
14:34 <****> the first block is guaranteed for 1000 writes with no errors.
14:34 <****> the rest are guaranteed to have a total capacity of non-faulty blocks meeting or exceeding 64M after 100000 writes
14:35 <****> Ah thank you, good reasons are nice.
14:35 <****> I don't really see why - it has 48K ROM, but anyway it can't.
14:36 <****> Anyway it is my reason, I thought it would be very nice to have at least 2 possible versons on the card and merely park the one I didnt want and boot the other
14:36 <****> yeah
14:36 <****> all could be done on the Neo without any PC required.
14:36 <****> or select which one by the boot menu
14:37 <****> SpeedEvil, yes, at first I would have jsut one, it is that one I cant get to go.
14:38 <****> Many people aren't around right now :)
14:43 <****> SpeedEvil, That MokoMakefile, please note I do not use Ubuntu, although I tried it at first . So I have had a big jib getting alt he required files together.
14:47 <****> So my queston is, this file not found: moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/sunrpc/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.h
14:48 <****> Is that file missing from my setup or the MokoMakefile setup?
14:54 <****> have you run make update, then run make openmoko-devel-image
14:54 <****> again
14:54 <****> it may update to working versions of stuff
14:55 <****> No, now you come to menton it I havent I will do that, but dont expect any improvement. It is late here now, seeya another day
15:08 * CoreDump wonders why noone patched gpsd to better integrate with gllin on the neo already
15:29 <****> what was the d/l URL for gllin again?
15:32 <****> http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/
15:32 <****> ScaredyCat: thanks!
16:14 <****> hi
16:41 <****> ok, who thought it to be clever to reconfigure resolv.conf on each boot?? And point it to the usb0 gateway of all things which _never_ runs a DNS in the first place??
16:43 <****> it might in theory
16:44 <****> it's a one in a million chance
16:44 <****> and it's the only place that might be sensible to point it
16:44 <****> unless it does dhcp
16:44 <****> I could live with it being the (senseless) default, yes
16:44 <****> but not with it being reinforced after each reboot
16:58 <****> CoreDump: if the resolv.conf policy is irritating, it can be ucstomized easily though
17:29 <****> morning
17:33 <****> is there anyway i could get internet working on the neo without iptables on the host?
17:36 <****> Sup3rkiddo, you could install an http proxy, but then only http/ftp will work
17:37 <****> or anything tcp based, if you use an ssh tunnel :)
17:38 <****> Sup3rkiddo - or routing, if you're into the fun of having multiple subnets, etc.
17:39 <****> bleh
17:39 <****> iptables v1.4.0: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
17:39 <****> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
17:40 <****> have the nat stuff in the kernel, iptables is the latest...
17:59 <****> Sup3rkiddo: do you have it compiled as a module?
18:00 <****>?
18:00 <****> ipt_MASQUERADE?
18:01 <****> Symbol: IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE [=m] x
18:01 <****> from menuconfig
18:01 <****> yup
18:01 <****> it is m
18:02 <****> not found..i
18:02 * Sup3rkiddo double checks
18:07 <****> boy, python is big
18:08 <****> CoreDump, lol, they are afterall one of the largest snakes around
18:08 <****> =)
18:08 <****> filled up my rootfs :\
18:08 * CoreDump is adding openmoko-gps from the mailinglist
18:11 <****> atlast got a fix!!!
18:11 <****> ~botsnack
18:11 <****> Sup3rkiddo: thanks
18:11 <****> ~botsnack
18:13 <****> I can't seem to get one
18:17 <****> sup: got it working - nat?
18:24 <****> openmoko: mickey * r3757 /trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/ (mainwindow.vala mokoterminal.vala):
18:24 <****> openmoko: openmoko-terminal2: make it more usable
18:24 <****> openmoko: * add toolbar with buttons for
18:24 <****> openmoko: ** new
18:24 <****> openmoko: ** delete
18:24 <****> openmoko: ** zoom in
18:24 <****> openmoko: ** zoom out
18:25 <****> Hmmm, how to make cut & paste with terminal ?
18:28 <****> what terminal
18:29 <****> oh
18:29 <****> I don't think you can
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