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02 January 2008
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--- Log opened Wed Jan 02 00:00:06 2008
01:11 <****> Hi, Bit of excitement here, have loaded the qtopia from SD card and got fizx from 6 satellites
01:11 <****> :)
01:11 <****> thanks especially Ninex and SpeedEvil
01:12 <****> Cograpulations!
01:12 <****> err.
01:12 <****> How Please do I take a screenshot of ths satellite pic?
02:14 <****> will Android be able to run on the Neo?
02:15 <****> if the source is released, yes
02:15 <****> or of google explicitely makes an armv4 binary
02:15 <****> *if
02:17 <****> okay, wont it have to be realeased because of linux being on the GPL?
02:18 <****> no, the closed-source bit of android is a userspace program
02:18 <****> like skype or some games on linux
02:19 <****> ah i see
02:24 <****> the blob is the UI + java?
02:25 <****> Android is going to be closed-source? :-(
02:26 <****> Wish I could say I was surprised.
02:36 <****> i don't know which part
02:37 <****> or if there is anything opensource at all in android, except kernel
03:35 <****> balrog-kun: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ce848a736913e04b
03:35 <****> Indications are this will be sometime in the second half of this year, after the OHA commercial partners have released handsets.
03:36 <****> rwhitby: oh, nice, so that means it will run on the Neo1973 i believe
03:36 <****> egn: ^^
03:37 <****> I would expect so. And Neo1973 owners are used to waiting for long periods of time ;-)
03:38 <****> on the other hand i'm inclined to not trust things google states officially
03:38 <****> like this message for example, it may be true or not
03:39 <****> that's your right I guess.
04:08 <****> openmoko: erin_yueh * r3758 /trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/libgsmd/sms.h src/gsmd/sms_pdu.c): gsmd: add TP-STATUS return code table (Erin Yueh)
07:23 <****> morning europe
07:23 <****> and good midday to asia
07:26 <****> moin
07:49 <****> anyone know how to install Sjf2410-linux from the tarball
08:04 <****> hmm LANCOR vs OLPC case looking like attempt to slow down OLPC distribution, do I sound paranoid or anti M$ if I start connecting it with M$ porting XP on OLPC ?
08:23 <****> Mononoke youre paranoid.. winxp can only be working properly when the screen is xga or higher res (thats also why the eee does not get a certified sticker)
08:23 <****> besides that the olpc is dead meat already for all 1st worl_ders
08:24 <****> slow, crappy hardware, bad batteries, unusable ui, unusable keyboard.. well.. its made for children in countries where you got nearly no power and or connectivity. with some good software it will do its job.
08:25 <****> if youre searching for something into your handbag, i'ld go for a eee
08:25 <****> the name of Asus' notebook says all what I think of it :)
08:26 <****> Mononoke well.. i had both in my hands already (olpc and eee) and would go for the latter if i need to use one of these. atleast it has a keyboard and a black case. and a proper battery.
08:27 <****> with proper i mean li-ion and not ni/mh (which is good for 3rd world, but not here)
08:28 <****> nod, ni/mh was imho mistake
08:28 <****> if you have the money, spend it and give some child an olpc.
08:28 <****> hey I'm poor student
08:28 <****> ni/mh is no mistake. it was intentionally chosen since you can replace thoisse in the field by an regular electronician with an soldering iron.
08:29 <****> li-ion is dangerous and not buyable as spare part. you would have to swap the whole battery with the battery-.casing
08:29 <****> which is not a problem here, but in africa
08:30 <****> these guys are not as stupid as it seems sometimes. the olpc is really built to last in such environments and the infrastructure the people have there
08:30 <****> they did a good job in the whole i think
08:30 <****> we'll see in few years :)
08:30 <****> even if its difficult do understand from the limited perspective we as euopeans or americans sometimes get
08:31 <****> s/do/to
08:32 <****> well africa is huge hole on map of the internet and there is realy need to do something about it :S
08:32 <****> Mononoke youre a student? where are you located?
08:32 <****> morning lorn
08:34 <****> roh: I would answer czecho-slovakia =]
08:34 <****> Mononoke ah. nice. thats not that far
08:36 <****> btw not only africa is "disconnected" for example look on pings from your location to LA and than look on pings from your location to Singapore and so on
08:37 <****> hehe.. bleive me i knoiw about that.
08:37 <****> i am living in berlin.
08:38 <****> my colleagues are in taipeh, bejing, sidy, LA, nyc, somewhrere in poland, different locations in england and braunschweig..
08:39 <****> we even have an asian and european mailserver to ease the pain of latency for our colleagues
08:39 <****> is Gismo_C around these days?
08:39 <****> btw.. sorry fo the typos.. the keyboard here is dying (just ordered replacement service at lenovo)
08:39 <****> or any way i could make some changes to the webkit build bot configuration? we've stopped using qmake in favour of autotools
08:39 <****> alp yes. i wanted to meet him today. whats up?
08:40 <****> aaah.. yes.. thats nice (finally no q-foo needed anymore)
08:40 <****> i think zecke was maintaining the bot before but trolltech have snapped him up now ;-)
08:40 <****> eh?
08:41 <****> yes.. webkit builds were on buildhost-old which was renamed recently afaik
08:42 <****> i don't know, maybe zecke is still maintaining it. he's been busy with Qt development lately though i gather
08:42 <****> i see. well. then please check with him if he will continue maintaining that builds of if somebody else (you?) will take that.
08:45 <****> will do. thanks roh
08:45 <****> just drop me a mail and i will take care
08:47 <****> and now to breakfast and getting that stupid silver glitter out of nmy hair
08:47 <****> ;)
08:57 <****> can anyone tell me how to install Sjf2410 right quick?
08:57 <****> it wont make
08:57 <****> derekcorwin not really.. i think besides harald nearly noone used it.
08:57 <****> you have a Q2410?
08:57 <****> or why do you need it
08:57 <****> I gotta debug board, and i bricked the moko
08:58 <****> well.. then you do not need Sjf2410
08:58 <****> I deleted the boot loader
08:58 <****> uboot
08:58 <****> just the lowlevel_foo for your hw-rev and uboot for the same
08:59 <****> lwlevel_foo gets loaded into ram, execured to get the sdram up and running
08:59 <****> but I gotta brick
08:59 <****> the uboot gets loaded into ram (both via jtag) and also executed and can be used to partition the mtd and flash itself via dfu
08:59 <****> yes. your brick gets unbricked that way.
09:00 <****> mokmpls.-. i search out the whole manual
09:00 <****> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM
09:01 <****> okay let me look at it for a few mins
09:37 <****> openmoko: erin_yueh * r3759 /trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_ti.c: gsmd: remove AT%CPHS from vendor_ti.c (Erin Yueh)
09:38 <****> mnorning
10:19 <****> WIRESHARK CONTAINS OVER ONE POINT FIVE MILLION LINES OF SOURCE CODE. DO NOT RUN THEM AS ROOT.
10:19 <****> LOL
10:29 <****> 1,500,000?
10:29 <****> Gosh.
10:30 <****> your kernel code contains more than 50'000'000 line of code, don't run it as root...
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