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02 January 2008
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10:32 <****> Heh, the kernel defines root.
10:32 <****> root.
10:34 <****> hehe.. yeah. but the kernel also seems to have some kind of code quality review ;)
10:34 <****> And wireshark doesn't?
10:36 <****> AVee some code in there really is crappy
10:36 <****> Hm, wireshark is ethereal. Why did they change the name?
10:37 <****> to many bugs?
10:37 <****> +o
10:37 <****> Possibly :)
10:37 <****> Fuss about trademark ownership
10:37 <****> the maintainer changed companys and the old one owns the name. (trademark)
10:38 <****> _diego___: Large parts of monolithic kernels' code could be run as non-root.
10:38 <****> Oh, nasty.
10:38 <****> Yeah, lets get minix on the Neo :)
10:38 <****> \o/
10:39 <****> Hahaha
10:39 <****> Would be an interesting project...
10:39 <****> Or the Hurd
10:39 <****> haha.. atleast then the answer to 'is it done yet' is clear for one
11:48 <****> Did anyone of you try to run/use java or mono on your device? Is it usable (read: works well enough for small scale apps that don't require lots of computing power)?
11:54 <****> Blafasel: mono works pretty well, there's a lot of JIT work going to make it fly on ARM
11:54 <****> miguel posted about some packages a few weeks back, http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Oct-04.html
11:56 <****> alp: Nice, thank you
12:20 <****> On GPS accuracy: http://www.racelogic.co.uk/?show=VBOX-Products-VBOX_III_RTK&gclid=COCtyPO115ACFQ5hMAoddCIpPA
12:20 <****> (no, it's not relevant to the neo)
12:45 <****> hej NineX
12:46 <****> hrw: ave
12:47 <****>
12:50 <****> ;D
12:50 <****> #oe has it changed now
12:51 <****> hrw: ;P
12:54 <****> NineX: ping
12:57 <****> * * OM Bug 1150 has been created by emanuele.zamprogno(AT)medicinaopen.info
12:57 <****> * * OE don' t create root image with ext3 FS on AMD64
12:57 <****> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1150
13:00 <****> SpeedEvil: that truly is a bad-ass GPS ;)
13:05 * SpeedEvil stabs global-locates lawyers.
13:06 * Mononoke stabs SpeedEvil back
13:06 <****> hrw: pong
13:06 <****> well - those of them that decided that releasing specs was a bad thing.
14:07 <****> Hi, Is there technology on X11 like windows direct draw/show?
14:08 <****> * * OM Bug 1151 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com
14:08 <****> * * Battery plugin status icon isn't updated when neo is running from battery
14:08 <****> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1151
14:21 <****> Geen idee, nooit gebruikt. Irssi piept als er iets gebeurt, doet de windows versie dat ook?
14:22 <****> Sorry, wrong window :X
14:22 <****> set b off
14:22 <****> In terminal :)
14:22 <****> Unless you actually want it.
14:23 <****> Nah, someone else is stupid enough to use the windows version and wants an indication on the taskbar. Normally the terminal app should handle that kind of stuff, but on windows...
14:24 <****> Ahh ok.
14:24 <****> Irssi in Windows, hmm
14:24 <****> I'd set up a PI box with Linux and run it from that :)
14:32 <****> Richard__, in what sense "like"?
14:33 <****> anyone happen to know if gprs multiplexing is advancing on the current images?
14:33 <****> as I understand it no.
14:33 <****> you do know you can't ever GPRS and call?
14:34 <****> Richard__: SDL is a DirectX equivalent for certain values of equivalent.. ;)
14:34 <****> mjr, direct write fb
14:34 <****> SpeedEvil, if you mean the usual class b stuff, I know
14:35 <****> Blafasel, I know SDL is a general interface. Doesn't SDL go through X11?
14:35 <****> I'd mostly like to be reachable while having a gprs connection up
14:36 <****> doesn't matter so much that the gprs gets suspended
14:37 <****> Richard__, usually yes if you run it through X11
14:37 <****> Basically, on the neo, you _can_ do dirty stuff like writing directly to the fb without regard to the X server
14:38 <****> Durty.
14:38 <****> Richard__: SDL can use the framebuffer directly, depending on the driver used.
14:38 <****> At least that's what I recall..
14:38 <****> The advantage of having really dumb video hardware is that it's really dumb.
14:38 <****> Writing to video memory can't cause any problems.
14:38 <****> you probably want to reserve the whole screen from X to ensure it doesn't write there while you do
14:38 <****> dunno if that works for gta02
14:39 <****> as there is no state to disturb as there would be with an video accellertion chip
14:40 <****> presumably you could, in a bit cleaner fashion, switch to another vt to do fb stuff?
14:40 <****> sure
14:41 <****> 'course, it's a hijack
14:41 <****> and will cause problems if some other app wants attention...
14:42 <****> there is the dga(2) extension for direct frame buffer access mediated via the x server, but I think that's deprecated and not sure if kdrive does it
15:36 <****> * * OM Bug 1152 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com
15:36 <****> * * openmoko-terminal2 is missing vala dependancy
15:36 <****> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1152
15:48 <****> * * OM Bug 1153 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com
15:48 <****> * * Dialer talking window isn't closed, when caller hung up call
15:48 <****> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1153
17:13 <****> Does anyone happen to know of a usb linux 802.11a adaptor?
17:15 <****> Darn, that's a good question. My first reaction is "of course, they must exist!", but some searching of my favorite vendors comes up empty.
17:16 <****> PCI and PCMCIA cards, but no USB.
17:23 <****> hey are there any bored pygtk guys in here?
17:25 <****> SpeedEvil: D-Link DWL-AG132 and ZyXEL AG-225H
17:28 <****> thanks!
17:30 <****> Sup3r what's your need?
17:32 <****> mwester: /me is working on a backup comms system for his UAV.
17:52 <****> SpeedEvil: "A" band is an excellent choice for that -- you'd lose contact with the device quickly with all the microwave ovens and other interference sources at altitude with b or g.
17:53 <****> well, looks like I found some use for Neo afterall
17:54 <****> it is a perfect USB GPS dongle ;=
17:54 <****> heh
17:54 <****> Oh c'mon - at least make it be a bluetooth USB device! :p
17:54 <****> =D
17:59 <****> tried that qtopia image with gllin yesterday, the builtin gps w/o a external antenna is poor
17:59 <****> Can anyone in the US tell me what their shipping speed was like?
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