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02 January 2008
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18:00 <****> my BT holux got the fix, Neo not - same position
18:00 <****> Did it take 2 days before the Neo was shipped, for instance, or was it dropped at UPS almost instantly?
18:01 <****> ahven: actually the built-in antenna is great. I'm getting a fix in-doors all the time
18:01 <****> Trying to figure out if expedited shipping is worth it.
18:01 <****> CoreDump: well, Neo was against the window and saw only 3 or 4 satellites, no fix
18:01 <****> freesmartphone.org: * r9 /:
18:01 <****> and for some half an hour
18:02 <****> hmm
18:02 <****> could try it again now
18:03 <****> some windows - especially well inusalted ones are quite attenuative to GPS
18:03 <****> haven't had any problems with other gps receivers on that spot though
18:05 <****> freesmartphone.org: mickeyl * r19 /trunk/standards/telephony/: add telephony directory
18:12 <****> My order for a Neo1973 has been placed. :D I'm very excited.
18:12 <****> Congratulations!
18:13 <****> :D
18:13 <****> congrats
18:13 <****> new users, fresh blood
18:16 <****> Hrm... Fresh Blood. Sounds welcoming.
18:20 <****> work at freesmartphone has commenced?
18:22 <****> yeah
18:22 <****> still in the kick-off phase
18:23 <****> but this is going to be my main area for the Q1 and Q2 2008
18:23 <****> looking forward to a nice and universal phoned and deviced coming soon
18:24 <****> + respective dbus APIs
18:24 <****> (actually vice versa, first the APIs, then the implementation)
18:27 <****> cool, i was looking to learn from some code....maybe contribute back if it gets in my head
18:29 <****> cool. it's pretty much brainstorming right now, but the first code has already landed (prototype implementation of ophoned in python to get a feeling of how to interact with the dbus APIs)
18:32 <****> mickey, yeah, sounds fun...but will there be any significant overhead with dbus, since especially there might be less powerful mobile phones in the future...but bleh me..i am still a n00b.
18:34 <****> hej mickey, HNY. I saw your vala post and wondered whether it would be feasible to code dbus services in vala?
18:35 <****> pH5: absolutely!
18:35 <****> in fact...
18:35 <****> i'm seriously considering to write the complete ophoned and odeviced in Vala
18:36 <****> i'm not decided yet, since this includes several "business risks"
18:36 <****> but it's _very_ interesting
18:37 <****> can you use C libraries in vala?
18:37 <****> Sup3rkiddo: luckily, performance is not much of an issue here. dbus is relatively lightweight and you have to consider that most of the calls are not time-critical since the modem is muuuuuch slower anyways :D
18:37 <****> Vegar: yes and no
18:37 <****> not inline (yet)
18:37 <****> but writing a .vapi file is dead-easy
18:38 <****> ah, ok
18:38 <****> mickey, oh, the modem thingy didnt strike me...
18:38 <****> in fact, there's a lot of .vapi files already in the distribution
18:38 <****> 20 or so
18:38 <****> cool
18:39 * Sup3rkiddo lists vala in his list of to-learn programming languages
18:39 <****> goodn night all..may the source be with y'all
18:41 <****> vala is very interesting
18:41 <****> it's what I've been looking for for quite a while
18:43 <****> mickey: nice, that's encouraging. I only had a quick look right after you added the recipes, everything vala indeed looks much nicer than the general gobject-in-C ugliness.
18:44 <****> yeah
18:44 <****> see, for me as a C++/Python evangelist, it puts back the fun into Gobject programming
18:45 <****> i _hate_ boilerplate code
18:45 <****> and i loath incredibly_large_function_names_that_encoding_everything_but_the_kitchen_sink_into_the_name
18:46 <****> Yeah.
18:46 <****> not speaking about typecasting/checking macros
18:46 <****> ALWAYS_THE_LITTLE_FINGER_ON_THE_SHIFT_KEY(object)
18:46 <****> incrediblyAttractiveCapitalsSpreadThroughTheFunctionNameAreMuchBetter.
18:46 <****> heh
18:47 <****> i made my piece with underscores
18:47 <****> One or two of them fine.
18:47 <****> CapStyle is hardly readible, i agree
18:47 <****> More than that and you're probably putting too many variables in scope
18:49 * nbd thinks c++ is to c as lung cancer is to lung :D
18:49 <****> quote worthy
18:49 <****> ^^^
18:49 <****> not my quote, though
18:50 <****> mickey: CamelCase is ok with verbNoun and similar short names, other things should be encoded through inheritance and docs
18:50 <****> well yeah, i have to admit my excitement about C++ lost a bit over the years.
18:50 <****> Stephmw: ya
18:51 <****> somebody once told me there's 10 people and 0 compilers that really understand c++
18:51 <****> nbd: and they meant binary 10 too
18:51 <****> probably ;)
18:52 <****> c++ is not hard, STL can be a bit confusing at first
18:52 <****> stl is often abused
18:53 * Stephmw glares at boost
18:53 <****> it takes i bit of time to get used to, and it's always taught in the wrong way
18:54 <****> i think if it's too easy to misuse and most people don't get it, then it's broken by design
18:55 <****> nbd: if it wasn't, we'd be out of a job
18:56 <****> with 'most people' i meant 'most people using it'
18:56 <****> there is certainly some truth to that, but given the choice of c and c++, i wouldn't hesitate a second
18:56 * Stephmw changes his job description to Senior Bug Hunter Extraordinaire
18:56 <****> bcpl!
18:56 <****> hi
18:56 * SpeedEvil moves away from Proximity.
18:58 <****> GPRS is PPP only to your provider? there isn't a concept of PPP to an alternative number as it's pulled off before it hits the phone side of the net?
19:11 <****> does anyone haves a idea when the gta02 is released? the still says year's end..
19:12 <****> see topic
19:12 <****> which?
19:12 <****> topic of irc room
19:12 <****> community updates? but i found nothing there
19:13 <****> Do not ask about GTA02 (Maybe March as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam).
19:13 <****> then there's no official update
19:13 <****> ok
19:13 <****> damn
19:13 <****> my old phone died xD
19:13 <****> reincarnate it
19:13 <****> ?
19:13 <****> no way
19:14 <****> my brother sat on it
19:14 <****> now it's flat as a coin
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