#openmoko
02 January 2008
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20:21 <****> k
20:23 <****> ok.. but i still want the 02 :-p
20:23 <****> So does everyone. It's just progressing in "moko-time"
20:23 <****> hehheh
20:23 <****> The firmware on the phone is not compatible with all SIMs
20:24 <****> but they have the fix, it just isn't on all the phones
20:24 <****> okay
20:24 <****> but why dont they put it on the phones while producing :-S =P
20:24 * Stephmw sighs, unfortunately SIMs run software, and it's buggy in different ways, like everything else
20:24 <****> yeah
20:24 <****> and they don't have the right to distribute the fix, or the software to install the fix, or something
20:24 <****> true
20:24 <****> CoreDump: ISO 8601 (date format)
20:24 <****> okay
20:25 <****> I agree that they should put it on the phones before they ship 'em
20:25 <****> but
20:25 <****> but apparently they don't, because it's not on mine
20:25 <****> it is their phone, isn't it? then it's their licence, or am i wrong?
20:25 <****> they have the ok to distribute the fix, that's why you _can_ get it fixed. The phones being shipped are probably in a warehouse somewhere already...
20:25 <****> The existing stock of GTA01's was probably mfgr's many months ago.
20:25 <****> The gsm software, or part of it, is by TI
20:25 <****> oh ok
20:26 <****> spesifically the low level GSM software which is inside the GSM chipset itself
20:26 <****> mwester: Sure, but it's cheaper & easier to update it there before they ship rather than ship to me, then I ship to Michael, then he ships it back
20:26 <****> Yes, cheaper and easier for OpenMoko the company to ignore the firmware, and let you and Michael deal with the trouble of upgrading it. :(
20:26 <****> soon(TM) you can update it yourself
20:26 <****> how much would that cost, from the netherlands?
20:26 <****> one would hope they get the go-ahead to distribute a method of field upgrading
20:27 <****> Vegar, yeah, at least that has apparently been in the works...
20:27 <****> 12/09/2007 - We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties regarding the process that would allow you to upgrade your own GSM firmware. All that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks!
20:28 <****> Vegar: yeah, so I'm torn between shipping & waiting
20:28 <****> Vegar, let's cross fingers, but not hold breath
20:28 <****> no.. holding breath would be stupid.. one minute is my limid xD
20:29 <****> does someone know about the battery duration of GTA02v5??
20:30 <****> ifeel: no, nobody knows yet
20:31 <****> Vegar: but it has been produced in a small number...for developers...
20:31 <****> the software doesn't do much power saving yet
20:33 <****> Vegar: ok...but new battery is bigger than previous one...it shoud be better!
20:38 <****> I'm just tryin to get OM running using this howto: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr but the linked script http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/xoo/om-launch is no longer available
20:38 <****> maybe you know where I can get it ?
20:40 <****> if it was in svn, it should be possible to still get it from svn
20:40 <****> svn remembers every file forever
20:40 <****> but the commands are tricky
20:40 <****> good idea, i'll try
20:42 <****> Hi folks, is there a function like gnome_play_sound() in somewhere in the current openmoko repo. Is it feasible to port libgnome?
20:43 <****> balrog-kun: no success. the whole folder "xoo" was only added within the last revision.
20:48 <****> p0seid0n: It sounds as if someone forgot to add a file.
20:48 <****> or to commit it
20:48 <****> wurp2: yeah
20:49 <****> I guess I will be able to start Xephyr/Matchbox/Moko manually, but it would save me some time
20:49 <****> I can't even get the MokoMakefile to build
20:49 <****> It always fails on some fetch in zlib
20:54 <****> wurp2: Yes, known problem. Just find the binary somewhere, add it to the downloads or sources directory manually (create the .md5 matching file if necessary), and retry.
20:54 <****> mickeyl , you there ?
20:58 <****> mwester: Hey, thanks!
20:58 <****> Is MokoMakefile under source control somewhere so I can fix it in there, or at least make it spit out a message telling the user how to solve it?
20:59 <****> The problem is temporary; IIRC it's been fixed upstream but it will take time to trickle down to the openmoko repo. MokoMakefile has no knowlege of that part of the build.
21:01 <****> btw what is the difference between a 3G sim card, and a 'normal' sim?
21:02 <****> OK, thanks
21:02 <****> I'll leave it as just a note on the wiki, then
23:02 <****> Hi! Where do I find infrmation regarding the status of the project ?
23:03 * SpeedEvil points at the topic
23:04 <****> SpeedEvil: Oh ;-) Thanks.
23:04 <****> Unfortunately, no more info
23:04 <****> well - little
23:05 <****> Will the next releases also contain Bluetooth and keep the GPS ?
23:05 <****> yes
23:05 <****> I guess there has been no design preview as for the new devices, which I hope look less than Playschool toys.
23:05 <****> GPS is damn important, IMO
23:06 <****> they'll look exactly the same as the current one
23:06 <****> well - the buttons will be translucent
23:10 <****> and have leds behind
23:10 <****> AUX led is currently one color, Power led has 3 colors
23:10 <****> that's not a visible differnce normally
23:10 <****> at least it was like that on gta02 which I saw in December (no idea which rev it was)
23:10 <****> Can the PMU do LED flashing when off?
23:11 <****> no idea
23:14 <****> What I do not understand is: On the screenshots they show you something, that looks like a functional UI with applications. Yet, they say it is not possible to place calls and send messages ?
23:14 <****> SpeedEvil: Regarding GPRS, you are right: There are no phone numbers and therefore you cannot establish a ppp session between two phones
23:14 <****> thseiler_: thanks
23:15 <****> josch: calls mostly work
23:15 <****> JOSF: you can call and send/receive smses
23:15 <****> So the phone is _basically_ working as a mobile-phone as of yet?
23:15 <****> There is however the concept of APN (access point name) that can be used to connect to different networks (ie one for MMS delivery and another one for generic internet)
23:16 <****> SpeedEvil, peep?
23:16 <****> josch: sorry
23:16 * SpeedEvil points at JOSF.
23:16 <****> It's all his fault!
23:16 <****> JOSF: as very poor cellphone
23:16 <****> And nothing to do with my lousy completion skills.
23:16 <****> JOSF: nokia 3210 works better as phone
23:16 <****> 1100
23:17 <****> you can always use qtopia on it. this works well for months
23:17 <****> josch: Yes, it's my fault ;)
23:18 <****> including txt messages
23:18 <****> ah what the... ? :-D
23:18 <****> josch: I typed jos: to respond to josf - but it completed to you.
23:18 <****> hrw: Why do you name the Nokia 3210 (which I don't know). Wouldn't that mean, that any mobile works better as a phone, yet ?
23:19 <****> josch: it's a basic phone
23:19 <****> sigh
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