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05 October 2007
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00:38 <****> I think I see what you're meaning now
00:38 <****> 5
00:38 <****> ok let me break it down... you have two text files
00:38 <****> you wanna retrieve everything that maps to A
00:38 <****> so what you want.. is a.. hash!
00:39 <****> yes but I dont want to do the bucket-hashing myself...
00:39 <****> schemelab: perl has hashes build in
00:39 <****> schemelab: don't. You'll do a much worse job of it than perl does.
00:39 <****> schemelab: they're one of the core data structures
00:39 <****> there must be an algorithm that creates the buckets
00:39 <****> schemelab: wtf are you talking about
00:39 <****> ...
00:39 <****> you people dont know what bucket hashing is
00:39 <****> %bukkit # I has one
00:39 <****> schemelab, yes we do, but you don't know what a perl hash is
00:40 <****> Insulting the intelligence of the people whose help you seek is unwise, at best.
00:40 * schemelab does know
00:40 <****> schemelab: we know the kind of bucket hashing perl does. If you're talking about something else, you're doing a poor job of communicating the differences.
00:40 <****> Also, what apeiron said.
00:40 <****> schemelab: we do, and perl has a very good implementation of it built in. Which would seem to be to your advantage, since judging from your bizarre ramblings, you don't know how to implement it.
00:40 <****> apeiron: it has nothing to do with intelligence. it has to do with knowledge...
00:40 <****> schemelab: please link to a definition of what -you- mean by bucket hashing
00:40 <****> schemelab: because your attempts to explain it yourself have been so far incoherent
00:40 <****> http://www.answers.com/topic/hash-bucket-computer-jargon?cat=technology
00:40 <****> serfbot: bukkit hash
00:40 <****> on rhizo's last comment, i have a other variable: $name = "testvar" and i have my own hash with all my friends do not want to do what they're called, rather than a list.
00:40 <****> schemelab's url is at http://xrl.us/636u
00:41 <****> schemelab: erm, yes
00:41 <****> I never got to finish my example
00:41 <****> schemelab: perl's hash implementation uses a bucketing approach
00:41 <****> schemelab: go ahead.
00:41 <****> that is irrelevant mst
00:41 <****> schemelab: we all understand that perfectly
00:41 <****> schemelab: THEN FUCKING ASK AN ACTUAL QUESTION YOU DUMB SACK OF SHIT
00:41 <****> woah
00:42 <****> schemelab: go ahead and finish your example, please.
00:42 <****> schemelab: STOP TELLING US WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN LINK TO SOMETHING THAT IS *FUCKING* *EXACTLY* WHAT PEOPLE *WERE* TALKING ABOUT
00:42 <****> schemelab: FOR CHRIST'S FUCKING SAKE IF YOU WANT AN ANSWER TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION, ASK *THAT* QUESTION INSTEAD RATHER THAN CALLING US FUCKING IGNORANT
00:42 <****> mst, you sleep ok?
00:43 <****> fine
00:43 <****> IRC is awesome :'D
00:43 * dec hugs mst
00:43 <****> And I'm totally not being sarcastic.
00:43 <****> serfbot: I wuv this channel
00:43 <****> mu9214: ff is being sent by uTorrent and i think you are trying to get help in leave, this channel is much better (mostly because it had been pretty much going to play with different (in development!) implementations like pugs, though.
00:43 <****> I just have a low tolerance for morons despoiling the name of lisp by being fuckwits with a lisp dialect in their nickname
00:43 <****> schemelab: and please don't bother with the example, it will be pointless. It's something that can be written in two lines of perl. If you want to do it in 3,000 lines instead, go away :)
00:43 <****> schemelab: /nick phplab
00:43 <****> schemelab: I'll be much more tolerant then
00:44 <****> 'three'); $bucket_hash{2}
00:44 <****> Limbic_Region: undef
00:44 <****> 'three'); $bucked_hash{2}
00:44 <****> Limbic_Region: two
00:44 <****> helps when you don't typo
00:44 <****> Limbic_Region, use strict;
00:44 <****> Limbic_Region, :)
00:44 <****> $_ } 1..3; print scalar %hash;
00:44 <****> Limbic_Region: 3/81
00:45 <****> hrm, I wonder what those cryptic numbers are
00:45 <****> I wonder if they could have anything to do with buckets
00:45 <****> perhaps I should read the documentation
00:45 <****> $hatred{$_}++ for qw(billie joey schemelab); [ grep !$hatred{$_}, qw(fred joey mst Limbic_Region schemelab suzy) ]
00:45 <****> eval: $hatred{$_}++ for qw(billie joey schemelab); [ grep !$hatred{$_}, qw(fred joey mst Limbic_Region schemelab suzy) ]
00:45 <****> hobbs: ['fred','mst','Limbic_Region','suzy']
00:46 <****> iank: sometimes a good bit of bile is stronger than a +o :D
00:47 * Limbic_Region hugs hobbs
00:47 <****> Section 9.1.1 in this document - http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/febrl/febrldoc-0.3.pdf goes over indexing and how it takes a linear file of data and hashes it into buckets to make subsequent searches into the linear file smaller than a linear search through the original file
00:47 <****> schemelab's url is at http://xrl.us/636y
00:47 <****> it lists numerous hashing methods, implemented in Python...
00:47 <****> I just cant believe no one has needed these in Perl
00:48 <****> there is a perl database product... probably it has something similar
00:48 <****> schemelab: no one ever said they hadn't
00:48 <****> I just didnt want to code it all up myself
00:48 <****> schemelab - so you are obviously trolling
00:48 <****> schemelab: more it's the fact that you're TOO FUCKING STUPID TO ASK A COHERENT FUCKING QUESTION
00:48 <****> to what end?
00:48 <****> Limbic_Region: trooling? how?
00:48 <****> Your inability to find the existence of something is no disproof of its existence.
00:48 <****> schemelab: what is your -actual- question?
00:48 <****> schemelab: because perl *core* provides bucket hashing, which is the algorithm you keep asking about
00:48 <****> schemelab - I have just shown you an example of bucketing hashing that perl implements natively
00:48 <****> schemelab - and yet you continue to suggest that perl doesn't have it built in
00:49 <****> hobbs: I asked a question using terminology that was mis-interpreted and mis-understood. How many of you have taken a data structures and algorithms course? Bucket hashing would be common terminology to you thn
00:49 <****> schemelab: we know what bucket hashing is
00:49 <****> schemelab: stop trying to explain it to us
00:49 <****> schemelab: perl implements bucket hashing
00:49 <****> schemelab: I know what the fuck bucket hashing is. How about you try not misusing the term?
00:49 <****> schemelab: -you- may not know what it is, but that isn't our problem
00:49 <****> too much knowledge and not enough sense
00:49 <****> ... and the plot thickens
00:50 <****> perl associative arrays cannot be used _as_ bucket hashes. they may be implemented _with_ bucket hashes, but that does not allow me to use them _as_ bucket hashes
00:50 <****> wait, what?
00:50 <****> schemelab: why do you need to do that?
00:50 <****> schemelab: what are you trying to achieve?
00:50 <****> schemelab: actually it does if you have even a shred of common sense to go along with your wonderful data structures course.
00:50 <****> mst: read section 9.1.1 -
00:50 <****> schemelab: I'm not reading some random PDF
00:50 <****> schemelab: Section 9.1.1 is two sentences long and contains essentially no content.
00:51 <****> schemelab: and absolutely nothing whatsoever on algorithms, let alone buckets.
00:51 <****> schemelab: explain why you need a directly exposed bucket hashing implementation rather than merely using the perl hash interface
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