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12 October 2007
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03:11 <****> apeiron: gtk, i guess
03:11 <****> snayye, Probably.
03:11 <****> Oh, wait, wrong question.
03:12 <****> I wonder what kind of response I'd get if I went into the Python channel and asked a Perl question and claimed the people in #perl were asleep.
03:13 <****> or don't know the answer
03:16 <****> apeiron: do you think they will be amused?
03:16 <****> apeiron: Try it and see, then paste the logs?
03:17 <****> snayye: I know I am.
03:17 <****> Nah, lazy.
03:17 <****> a merit of a true perl programmer.
03:17 <****> that's why I recommend Haskell
03:17 <****> Would rather someone else do it and report results.
03:17 <****> no side effects!
03:19 <****> anyway, since python and perl are so much related, i am sure they know how to help each others
03:20 <****> er. what?
03:20 <****> ... related? cool!
03:20 <****> their respective communities i mean
03:20 * dwu giggles.
03:20 <****> yeah, there's a lot of overlap. not.
03:20 <****> i am talking about their historical relationship
03:20 <****> Uh. What?
03:21 <****> like germans and russians
03:21 <****> they love each other
03:21 <****> aren't they like the kde and gnome of high level languages?
03:21 <****> And... KDE and GNOME are related to each other, really?
03:22 <****> they deal with the same stuff
03:22 <****> Well, in that regard, Python is related to VB.
03:22 <****> yeah, text munging and unix sysadmin stuff
03:22 <****> oh wait
03:22 <****> that's what i mean
03:22 <****> Er, heh, that's like saying Windows and BSD are related in that they both deal with computers by being operating systems.
03:23 <****> perlbot paste
03:23 <****> dwu, They are in that MS stole BSD's sockets implementation. :)
03:23 <****> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/paste/fn and #Perl will be able to view it.
03:23 <****> mauke: what do you mean by text munging?
03:23 <****> apeiron: And... python stole... something?
03:23 <****> apeiron: And perl stole others, but still.
03:24 <****> "preaction" at 72.1.4.143 pasted "An experiment in historical relationships..." (21 lines, 1.1K) at http://sial.org/pbot/28009
03:24 <****> dwu, Perl stole Unix.
03:24 <****> apeiron: Yay!
03:24 <****> apeiron: you can't steal what's free
03:24 <****> hahahaha
03:24 <****> apeiron: so it's not correct to say that microsoft stole anything from bsd
03:24 <****> HAHAHAHA
03:25 <****> snayye, yawn.
03:25 <****> so if I want someone to steal my heart, I have to put a price on it?
03:25 <****> bsd is not gpl
03:25 <****> bpalmer: Do it.
03:25 <****> sysadmin time: do you only install modules that appear in your OS's package management system, run cpan alongside the package manager or install a local perl and use cpan independent of the package manager?
03:25 <****> Oh, but I can't steal Linux, then.
03:25 <****> Since Linux is FOSS.
03:25 <****> :D
03:25 <****> bpalmer: But I guess you're just not that kind of girl.
03:25 <****> it's not fair.
03:25 * bpalmer kicks the can.
03:25 <****> pravus, I'm getting more and more ticked that $work requires modules not in my OS package management system.
03:25 <****> pravus, I think I'm going to spend my weekends porting stuffs.
03:25 <****> bpalmer: well, your argument is only (admittedly funny) language-level :)
03:26 <****> pravus: I prefer to use those modules available in the package system whenever I can, but otherwise CPAN works great.
03:26 <****> apeiron: i passed that long ago :)
03:26 <****> pravus: I prefer my own perl
03:26 <****> pravus: CPAN, mostly, but if something's already packaged and not ancient, I use that.
03:26 * SubStack manipulates the language of the debate to draw in false similarities to familiar crimes.
03:26 <****> mauke: i'm leaning that direction
03:26 <****> you wouldn't ask about poop in #food, would you?
03:26 <****> Of course, OpenBSD's p5-* ports are a little less comprehensive than, say, Free's :)
03:26 <****> GumbyGumby: sudo make me a sandwich
03:26 <****> SubStack: Do me a sandwich.
03:26 <****> apeiron: linux is gpl, so it's not free for stealers
03:26 * apeiron sighs.
03:29 <****> i must say, the result of the conversation in this channel is much funnier than the one in #python
03:29 <****> where can I find pp these days?
03:29 <****> I want to package a script as a win32 exe
03:29 <****> i'm running in a mixed packager/cpan installation right now and it's starting to piss me off
03:29 <****> reflexive: i've actually not done much CPAN work on OpenBSD
03:29 <****> preaction: i wouldn't really call python "food"
03:29 <****> i use OpenBSD for edge stuff (dns, dhcp, firewall, gateway, etc.)
03:29 <****> pravus: I've been running it on my desktop for the past month or so. It's a trip.
03:29 <****> snayye, and i wouldn't call your question on-topic. i guess we both end up disappointed
03:29 <****> preaction: or entertained :D
03:29 <****> reflexive: i used to wish i could do that, but i've found OpenBSD doesn't meet all my needs. otherwise i love it :)
03:29 <****> snayye, But you people keep saying it's Free.
03:29 <****> Anyway, I'd rather not have that silly debate again.
03:29 <****> apeiron: It's Free, but not free!
03:29 <****> dwu, I'm going to charge you for it, then.
03:29 <****> Free as in Speech, not as in Beer
03:29 <****> GumbyGumby: free as in parking
03:29 <****> SubStack: Our shared enemy the harkonnens, are once again in control of someone who used it in as.
03:29 <****> apeiron: free only in a way that doesn't contradict itself; free only in that way in which we can't tolerate rapers or homosexuals
03:29 <****> apeiron: You can't! I'm moving to FreeBSD! It's free! And Free(BSD)!
03:29 <****> pravus: I'd like to see better support for i18n and hardware rendering, but those are the only complaints I've come up with so far.
03:29 <****> apeiron: (the homosexuals part was a joke) :P
03:30 <****> reflexive: i'd like an LVM (vinum? i think that died...) and vmware support
03:30 <****> apeiron: so, yes, absolutely free
03:30 <****> apeiron: purely and uncontradictorily free, unlike bsd
03:30 <****> i need to try FreeBSD again, actually
03:31 * reflexive is a big FreeBSD fan, though he wishes the developers took a more OpenBSD-like stance when it came to packages v. ports and updating. Though he hears cperciva@'s freebsd-update system is pretty slick?
03:31 <****> preaction: btw, that paste is hilarious
03:31 <****> yeah historically their communities have wanted to kill each other
03:32 <****> oh, really are we that bad?
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