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18 October 2007
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02:09 <****> I think so. If you do it that way you probably have to match perl versions exactly between build and prod machines too, though.
02:10 <****> not a problem, the production system has 5.8.7 from SunFreeware, and I still have the pkg file, which I just installed on my development system
02:11 <****> I was also messing around with ActivePerl on Solaris, it seems to work too well, scary.
02:11 <****> program: apt will build on many systems. I've used debs on @not_debian plenty of times :)
02:11 <****> program: ppm is the worst ever distribution format
02:11 <****> Anonycat: @decks contains 3 arrayrefs, so you should probably be using: $deck = $decks[$sides-52]; $deckmark = $deckmark[$sides-52];
02:11 <****> program: esp. given the latest ppm is -not- open source
02:12 <****> program: and the only guy in the company I ever found who understood that was bad has left to Mozilla's MailCo
02:12 <****> mst, apt is nice, I agree... but I'm not going to use it on production systems
02:12 <****> Anonycat: what you pasted is taking a reference to an arrayref (as best i can tell)
02:12 <****> not on solaris production systems, at least
02:12 <****> program: then either use tarballs, or write a CPANPLUS::Dist::SolPkg
02:12 <****> You know what's the worse?
02:12 <****> program: shouldn't be that hard, I've built sol packages before
02:12 <****> (worst)
02:12 <****> yeah, me too
02:12 <****> program: then again, many many solaris shops use netbsd pkgsrc
02:12 <****> I saw the /. article re Radiohead album, saw that it was "pirated more than downloaded"
02:13 <****> program: so to me apt is less scary than that
02:13 <****> And immediately went to demonoid.
02:13 <****> im surprised no one has written a CPANPLUG::Dist::SolPkg
02:13 <****> PLUS
02:13 <****> program: I'm not.
02:14 <****> SolPkg?
02:14 <****> program: the author of CPANPLUS uses debian
02:14 <****> you're someone. why don't you write one?
02:14 <****> program: that's why ::Deb is there
02:14 <****> understood
02:14 <****> program: the reason there isn't one is everybody -else- has spent their time being surprised and asking for help
02:14 <****> program: rather than sitting down and writing 50 lines of code to make one
02:14 <****> is there anyway to get perl to still print output to LOGFILE when it receives a kill signal? right now when its killed, it goes to the signal sub i have, and it will do everything i ask but print to LOGFILE
02:15 <****> program: how did your soekris experimenting work? That was you, right?
02:15 <****> mst, did I patronize you in any way?
02:15 <****> hell`: ur doin it wrong. ;)
02:15 <****> hell`: and did you ask it to print to LOGFILE?
02:15 <****> yeah
02:15 <****> hell`: then there's something else wrong
02:15 <****> perhaps if you showed your code using a paste bot
02:15 <****> hobbs, pretty good, I've been too busy to complete the project, but I did almost completely finish the MiniBSD setup
02:15 <****> using bareword filehandles -- are you in the right package?
02:15 <****> program: alright, cool :)
02:16 <****> I still need to get PF and some other stuff implemented
02:16 <****> program: which soekris?
02:16 <****> ok.. well i have a print statement right before it, and when i kill the process i see the print statement but the print LOG statement right after never prints to the logfile
02:16 <****> program i run m0n0wall on my soekris machines
02:16 <****> net4501 :/
02:16 <****> program: i've got one :)
02:16 <****> heh that what i got
02:16 <****> idiotben, yeah, i've used m0n0wall on it too, and it works well.
02:16 <****> program: nothing wrong with that one. Bit slower processor but it's a good board.
02:16 <****> meh the IPSec stuff sux on em
02:16 <****> they kick ass although mine's a bit finicky on which CF card you use
02:16 <****> yeah
02:16 <****> its just something like sub int { print LOG "stopped\n"; }
02:16 <****> program: no, but I see this all the time. if I seem blunt it's cos I'm tired of people hacking up solutions for themselves when the CPAN-able one would have been 25% more effort and then the community would step in to help
02:17 <****> the IPSec tunnels just _stop_ once in a while with no warning
02:17 <****> idiotben: sounds like a software problem :)
02:17 <****> I been gonna roll up a linux install for em one of these days
02:17 <****> program: I always make stuff CPAN-able if I can. even if it only does half the job, just somebody making a start, at all, often attracts half a dozen developers
02:17 <****> mst, heh, man, I can barely write "Hello World" code, but when I'm up to your standards of skills, I'll contribute more.
02:17 <****> program: y'know what, I was shit when I started too
02:18 <****> me too program =P
02:18 <****> program: I just made a start, at all.
02:18 <****> mine just sits on a shelf now. i upgraded to a netra t1.
02:18 <****> I have my books here
02:18 <****> program: and then people told me how it could be better
02:18 <****> I've purchased from O'Reilly
02:18 <****> program: and some of them sent patches
02:18 <****> idiotben: I've got Debian on a couple 4801s, works without any major hacking. Boot time is a little slow, but amazingly 2.6 actually made it _faster_ compared to 2.4 :)
02:18 <****> program: and some of them sent advice
02:18 <****> program: and I got better
02:18 <****> I'm just working on a project and asked for some advice.
02:18 <****> program: sure
02:18 <****> program: but really, *try*
02:18 <****> program: it's not as hard as it looks. it never is. the hardest part is always saying "fuck it, I'm going to try"
02:18 <****> i need to find a driver for my crypto accellerator cards for them
02:19 <****> idiotben: MiniBSD OTOH boots up like lightning ;)
02:19 <****> idiotben, word, VPN
02:19 <****> yeah?
02:19 <****> (FreeBSD was kung fu fighting!)
02:19 <****> i may have to try that
02:19 <****> program: I'm not trying to have a go at you. but really, the hardest part is saying "I'm shit but shit is better than nothing" :)
02:20 <****> mst, I understand where you're coming from, you have a lot of people come in here and expect you to develop software for them. I'm not doing that, just asked for a piece of advice, then made a few comments... and then you're patronizing me.
02:20 <****> but it's all good
02:20 <****> i'm just another fool =)
02:20 <****> your time is better spent in #ubuntu asking when gutsy is coming out
02:20 <****> program: I'm not trying to patronize you at all
02:21 <****> idiotben: it's just a freebsd system stripped as far as possible, then you add back what you want. There are tutorials for 4, 5, and 6 (6 works just fine, I hear the older ones do too, but why? ;)
02:21 <****> anyhow, I've spent a lot of my time trying to get perl, cpan and solaris to work in perfect harmony
02:21 <****> "hell`" at 75.16.191.153 pasted "print LOG doesn't work when killed" (21 lines, 743B) at http://sial.org/pbot/28100
02:21 <****> wtf sun doesn't ship solaris with perl?
02:21 <****> program: when I used to do sol I used pkgsrc
02:21 <****> program: it had a newer perl and I could use that to build binary packages for CPAN modules
02:21 <****> idiotben, yes, they do.
02:22 <****> need help installing a perl module
02:22 <****> hell`: you didn't check the return value of open, and you should probably be using a lexical filehandle
02:22 <****> anyone?
02:22 <****> idiotben: solaris 9 comes with 5.6 and 5.00something
02:22 <****> hell`: you're not even checking the return value of open.
02:22 <****> not sure about solaris 10
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