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22 October 2007
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01:51 <****> eval: ref "doom" == undef
01:51 <****> SubStack: 1
01:51 <****> Khisanth: That's, actually, a really wonderful feeling.
01:51 <****> so?
01:51 <****> err
01:52 <****> SubStack, that's wrong
01:52 <****> eval: defined ( ref "doom" ) ? 'y' : 'n'
01:52 <****> Zoffix: y
01:52 <****> so it returns empty string ?
01:52 <****> eval: undef + 10
01:52 <****> Zoffix: ''ERROR: Can't modify constant item in undef operator at (eval 238) line 2, at EOF
01:52 <****> blagh
01:52 <****> TrueFX, yes
01:52 <****> If you can trust buubot ?
01:52 <****> TrueFX: Most built-in ops return '' for false instead of undef
01:52 <****> o_O
01:52 <****> TrueFX: why don't you just try it yourself?
01:52 <****> eval: defined('a' eq 'b') ? "def" : "undef"
01:52 <****> jagerman: def
01:53 <****> i didnt know how to find it out exactly
01:53 <****> if you can't tell the difference, why does it matter?
01:53 <****> i have writeent !defined ref 10 and print "y" or print "n"
01:53 <****> then some other code simiar to substacks
01:53 <****> just to be sure i ve asked
01:54 <****> jagerman, No more professional jagerman the perl coder?
01:54 <****> apeiron: Nope. 6 years was enough.
01:54 <****> jagerman, wows. Must've been pretty bad to give it up, I'd think.
01:55 <****> Though I might have to seek part time work sooner or later :(
01:55 <****> apeiron: It was the best choice I've ever made
01:55 <****> jagerman, Giving it up or starting?
01:55 <****> you could be a perl farmer
01:55 <****> Giving it up, and going on to academia
01:55 <****> pearl diver
01:56 <****> And, in the process, running into Economics
01:56 <****> jagerman, Huh. Guess I've yet to get burned out, heh.
01:57 <****> apeiron: I don't know if it was being burned out so much as succumbing to utter boredom.
01:58 <****> jagerman, eep. =\
01:58 <****> apeiron: If I'd had more interesting work, and a more enlightened boss, I'd probably still be there.
01:58 <****> jagerman, nodnod
01:58 <****> But I think I'm better off where I am, so it perhaps worked out for the better.
02:00 <****> Indeed.
02:03 <****> how do I get an ipv6 socket to resolve an ipv4 address to the corresponding name, i.e. if the address starts with ::ffff: then just resolve it as an ipv4 address?
02:04 <****> Um, I didn't think you could do that.
02:04 <****> They're six-to-four addresses.
02:04 <****> I didn't know those existed
02:05 <****> 'course they do, silly.
02:05 <****> apeiron: hmm, so I have to switch back to using two sockets per port (one ipv4 and the other ipv6)? but then how do I get them to work concurrently?
02:05 <****> Then why all the complaining about ipv6 having no transition path?
02:06 <****> Unsure.
02:06 <****> (to both of you)
02:06 <****> jagerman: only those complain that don't know what they're talking about
02:07 <****> apeiron: :-(
02:08 <****> I've never had to deal with those kinds of addresses, so I've never looked into it.
02:08 <****> jagerman: that is probably not what they are referring to
02:08 <****> I have *real* IPv6, for example, not a 6to4.
02:09 <****> apeiron: can I touch you? Let me touch you
02:09 <****> avar, Oh baby please?
02:10 <****> GumbyBRAIN: how was I suppose know, that something wasn't right yeah?
02:10 <****> Suppose $field_index were 6. You're trying to do something you know.
02:10 <****> get a balcony, you two.
02:10 <****> or a boat
02:10 <****> and an iceberg
02:10 <****> serfbot, Set us up the boat!
02:10 <****> The trouble with having a submissive servant is that it puts the focus not so much as I view deconstructionism as the bridge between Modernism and postmodernism.
02:11 <****> SubStack, The SotO speech's influence will decrease over time, I hope?
02:11 <****> yeah, as the volume of other text increases
02:11 <****> it's not weighted or anything
02:12 <****> anyone seen something interesting on the net lately?
02:12 <****> i want to have 5 mins of fun before i go to sleep
02:13 <****> GumbyBRAIN: entertain us
02:13 <****> pkrumins: http://www.audiophileusa.com/item.cfm?record=53025
02:13 <****> Not likely, but i'm quite underpaid. The us salary numbers are staggering.
02:13 <****> Not really 5 whole minuntes of fun
02:13 <****> that's too sexy before bed
02:15 <****> man, I don't fucking get this: grep -c '}' plugins/Factoid.pm 86 grep -c '{' plugins/Factoid.pm 73 I've manually checked the braces they all freakin match :| wtf can it be?
02:16 <****> {{{\n}\n}\n}
02:16 <****> doh!
02:17 <****> man, I need to take a break or something, can't find wtf it's being redefined.
02:17 <****> Is it possible that perl is just fucking with me and everything is fine there?
02:17 <****> can you reduce it to a small test case?
02:18 <****> mauke, well, I can try I guess. I've commented out all of "my $factoid" and "my $value" and it still was showing me that warning :|
02:18 <****> that usually indicates that you're looking at the wrong file
02:20 <****> triple checked that already
02:20 <****> and actually I did get new warnings after commenting but the original warning was still there
02:20 <****> ok, remove random lines until the warning disappears
02:21 <****> ooooh
02:21 <****> found it
02:21 * Zoffix makes a paste
02:21 <****> HELLO
02:22 <****> "Zoffix" at 99.227.133.207 pasted "Is it invalid to declare new "my"s in elsif() ?" (11 lines, 717B) at http://sial.org/pbot/28162
02:23 <****> hiya Yaakov
02:23 <****> If I comment out all the elsif() in that snippet the warning disappears.
02:23 <****> Hello.
02:23 <****> $tvbox is taking shape.
02:23 <****> also hello Yaakov!
02:23 <****> Hello.
02:23 <****> hai
02:24 <****> Zoffix: It is not invalid, but the my (...) from the first if ( ) is still in scope.
02:24 <****> Ohh.
02:24 <****> time to route the cable through the furnace room. For some reason wifi does not work near the plasma tv
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