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24 October 2007
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01:52 * mst shrugs
01:53 <****> I have libraries that I wrote in subdirectories of my perl script ie: package Address::Match under ./Address/Match.pm but if the script is called from another dir it cant find it
01:53 <****> ekim|irc-: not unless it also goes to the store and buy it for you
01:53 <****> lol
01:53 <****> indeed
01:53 <****> prakriti: use FindBin;
01:53 <****> ty mst
01:53 <****> and use lib
01:53 <****> but is it really worth 749.99 ?
01:53 <****> use lib?
01:53 <****> 700 bucks for the mac mini ...
01:53 <****> ekim|irc-: that is for a single user?
01:53 <****> ekim|irc-: the sad thing is, having lots of shit code written using something is an indication it's popular as much as anything else
01:53 <****> that it is
01:54 <****> for a text editor? -_-
01:54 <****> What editors do you all use ?
01:54 <****> newbie q: i want to copy all the *.csv files from one folder to another, keeping the same names. is there a single command to do that? i have use file::copy declared if that helps. thanks
01:54 <****> so your editor can easily cost more than the computer it runs on
01:54 <****> ahem...
01:54 <****> also...RoR is rediculously easy to get up an running with
01:54 <****> iFatman: cp ?
01:54 <****> iFatman: nothing comes immediately to mind.
01:55 <****> ekim|irc-: yes. but it's also useless for complex projects/
01:55 <****> indeed
01:55 <****> however...that is becoming less and less true...
01:55 <****>
01:55 <****> iFatman: you would probably need to do something like for $file (glob("*.csv")) { cp($file, $DEST) }
01:55 <****> ekim|irc-: bollocks
01:55 <****> sure sure
01:55 <****> but tell me...
01:55 <****> iFatman: File::NCopy
01:55 <****> ekim|irc-: no foreign keys. no composite primary keys. no useful prepared statement support.
01:55 <****> what would you rather have
01:55 <****> ekim|irc-: anywhere with a DBA it's not useful.
01:56 <****> :)
01:56 <****> A nice app that has MOST of what you want in a quarter of the time AND a full head of hair or ALL of the features you want in 4 times the tiime ... with the pleasure of pulling your hair out ... manually
01:56 <****> it is a compromise...
01:57 <****> problem is...most programmers are stuborn :(
01:57 <****> lol
01:57 <****> :)
01:57 <****> ekim|irc-: that's not relevant though
01:57 <****> but that can be a good thing at times... =p
01:57 <****> your right
01:57 <****> ekim|irc-: or at least, it's separate to 'easy to get up and running with'
01:57 <****> you save money on haircuts ...
01:57 <****> heh
01:57 <****> ekim|irc-: rails is much easier to write your first project in.
01:57 <****> yes
01:58 <****> Ok...I am beginning to contradict myself here
01:58 <****> ekim|irc-: I'd be quite confident having a code-off against a rails dev for a complex app and getting just as far with Catalyst in the same time.
01:58 <****> Comprimising your projects to any arbitary language just to save a couple of hours at the start seems silly
01:58 <****> but what about 2-3 years down the line? :)
01:58 <****> I think that cataliyst is more powerful that rails
01:58 <****> tons more flexibility
01:58 <****> right. they aren't really in competition.
01:58 <****> but if one of the things you want to do falls into the narrow amount of things that raisl does really well...you should choose the best tool for the job
01:59 <****> sure
01:59 <****> on the other hand
01:59 <****> the best tool forr the job might happen to be perl
01:59 <****> tomize: what if you are a startup? you will might not even be with the company anymore by the time that becomes an issue
01:59 <****> tomize: that idea goes in both directions, though... i wouldn't try to learn python just to do a project when i'm much better at perl...
01:59 <****> I am not here to say which is better nor do I believe either one is
01:59 <****> 37signals have said many a time they design their products to be outgrown
01:59 <****> rather than make them harder to get started with
01:59 <****> rails does the same thing, and very well
02:00 <****> yes, I am a right tool for the job kind of guy :)
02:00 <****> Hmm...s
02:00 <****> they have? that doesn't make any sense
02:00 <****> see ... this is what happens to me when I talk out of my ass
02:00 <****> :)
02:00 <****> so...on an almost unrelated note
02:00 <****> and Catalyst shines in the category of "sites too complex to be sane with rails"
02:00 <****> however I'm also a limit your tools guy, having 10 languages running your company might be crazy
02:00 <****> what editors do you guys use for programming ?
02:00 <****> also in the category of "sites with models that -aren't- a database"
02:01 <****> I agree...
02:01 <****> like i said
02:01 <****> I use vim and notepad++
02:01 <****> me? bill joy vi
02:01 <****> notepad++ is really nice
02:01 <****> if your project falls into the narrow definition of what rails does well...then you should use it
02:01 <****> vim annoys me. if I wanted a bloated thing with a million features I'd run emacs.
02:01 <****> lol
02:01 <****> sites without a database are a perfect example on where rails sucks
02:01 <****> heh
02:01 <****> i happen to use emacs =p
02:01 <****> vim is not bloated ...
02:02 <****> I have been using Komodo Edit with happiness, and of course, vim.
02:02 <****> IMHO
02:02 <****> vim is bloated compared to vi.
02:02 <****> indeed
02:02 <****> i used emacs first, so, meh... i stick with it
02:02 <****> vi is bloated compared to ed.
02:02 <****> but notepad is bloated compared to vi ...
02:02 <****> vi lacks insert mode completion
02:02 <****> ^N ftw !
02:02 <****> thorat: insert mode completion?
02:02 <****> vim lacks picture support
02:02 <****> the size of the editor hardly matters to me anymore but customizing emacs certainly feels a lot more difficult than vim
02:03 <****> mst: yup, you'll never turn back
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