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24 October 2007
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02:03 <****> because it is
02:03 <****> clearly everyone should use Word
02:03 <****> once you've tried it
02:03 <****> thorat: wtf -is- it?
02:03 <****> hehe
02:03 <****> czth, obviousl
02:03 <****> y
02:03 <****> wait
02:03 <****> no
02:03 <****> thorat: don't evangelise it as god. tell me what the fuck it is!
02:03 <****> Microsft Visual Studio!
02:04 <****> mst: sorry I'm having trouble with latency here...
02:04 <****> visual studio is a nice IDE... heh, if i'm working in windows...
02:04 <****> hardly do nowadays though...
02:04 <****> I never liked ide's
02:04 <****> I have been using Komodo Edit with happiness, and of course, vim.
02:04 <****> I always prefered doing everything in the shell
02:04 <****> and i happen to be working in C
02:05 <****> thorat: oh. yet another tab complete.
02:05 <****> If I had to use an IDE I would eclipse
02:05 <****> mst: check out http://vim.sourceforge.net/tips/tip.php?tip_id=11
02:05 <****> thorat: I really, massively don't care.
02:05 <****> in insert mode, you type "pack", hit something, and it completes "package"
02:06 <****> I have been using Komodo Edit with happiness, and of course, vim.
02:06 <****> also...I think (IMO) that vim has a better comunity
02:06 <****> its a life saver when writing c
02:06 <****> yuck
02:06 <****> with extremely long variable names
02:06 <****> to me vi and vim are exactly the same thing...
02:06 <****> at the core they are
02:06 <****> i just liked the debugger in emacs when i had to write fortran code
02:06 <****> but for the most part
02:06 <****> and C code actually..
02:07 <****> i want my editor to edit and edit with some nice features
02:07 <****> nothing else
02:07 <****> you know what _REALLY_ annoyed me the other day? i tried to use vi and couldn't change to insert mode because i don't have an insert key on my kb..
02:08 <****> Necos: 'i'
02:08 <****> huh?
02:08 <****> Necos: is what you use to go to insert mode
02:08 <****> Necos: your keyboard didn't have an 'i' key?
02:08 <****> lol
02:08 <****> I have been using Komodo Edit with happiness, and of course, vim.
02:08 <****> i always used the insert key, so yeah...
02:09 <****> never really learned how to use vi...
02:09 <****> see, this is one of the problems of learning vi clones
02:09 <****> real vi doesn't have that crap
02:09 * anno- eyes Yaakov
02:09 <****> mst: there's also syntax highlighting and multiple buffers
02:09 <****> therefore you learn the really basic bits
02:09 <****> HELLO
02:09 <****> thorat: I hate syntax highlighting.
02:09 <****> thorat: I have a shell with job control to have multiple files open at once. also: screen.
02:09 <****> syntax highlighting is good if the editor knows what is what...
02:09 <****> hmmm, and a decent windows port
02:10 <****> I use winvi32 on windows.
02:10 <****> ok
02:10 <****> Geez, there must be about 15 different keys you can use to get into insert mode.
02:10 <****> i, o, a...
02:10 <****> I,A,O
02:10 <****> Yeah man...who uses the actually insert key...
02:10 <****> thorat: none of these things are features. they're all bloat to me :)
02:10 <****> thorat: and original vi has more than one buffer anyway.
02:10 <****> where you the guy who always looked for the "any key" in the DOS days ?
02:10 <****> I've been using vi for 20 years and I had no idea you could use the insert key.
02:11 <****> me either
02:11 <****> lol
02:11 <****> also
02:11 <****> what kind of keyboard doesn't have an insert key ?
02:11 <****> A broken one.
02:11 <****> that will do it...
02:11 <****> i admit i have to pause when the arrow-keys don't work in vi(m)
02:11 <****> My MacBook doesn't.
02:12 <****> takes a bit to adjust to hjkl
02:13 <****> he
02:13 <****> anno-: play more nethack?
02:13 <****> lol
02:13 <****> ah...
02:13 <****> That will do it
02:13 <****> well, yrlnry, the person that taught me how to use vi just said "to edit a file, hit the insert key"...
02:13 <****> I suck at nethack
02:13 <****> yrlnry tract
02:14 <****> ekim|irc-: everyone sucks at nethack.
02:14 <****> hehehe
02:14 <****> the one thing i miss from a gui is a way to visit the locations of errors and warnings
02:14 <****> Yaakov: how much did Komodo cost?
02:15 <****> $0.00
02:15 <****> Edit is free.
02:15 <****> i really liked the AS perl debugger... i just could never justify the price tag
02:15 <****> anno-: you could just to a particular line number pretty easilly
02:15 <****> not in another file
02:16 <****> vim ans Vi::QuickFix do that
02:17 <****> didn't know that Yaakov
02:17 * Necos downloads
02:18 <****> you guys actually PAY for SOFTWARE ?
02:18 <****> rediculous
02:18 <****> greeniculous
02:19 <****> sure, I value commercial software
02:19 <****> heh... i make my job pay for software
02:19 <****> unless i need it outside the office, then i'll buy it myself
02:19 <****> ever used excel 2007? I find it very useful, so I payed £200 odd for it
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