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31 October 2007
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03:25 <****> yrlnry__: Depends on how many copies they brought, surely.
03:25 <****> No.
03:25 <****> Jmax: tias. here is the output.
03:25 <****> Can't copy(test1.txt, test1/test1.txt), $! is "Permission denied" at DeliverPrintData.pl line 24
03:25 <****> Mmkay.
03:25 <****> Jmax: pretty cool.
03:25 <****> The publisher's job, if anything, is to anticipate demand.
03:25 <****> And then to sell the books.
03:26 <****> eh?
03:26 <****> Jmax: I wonder what other functions it works with.
03:26 <****> using File::Copy's copy?
03:26 <****> Jmax: yes!
03:26 <****> huh
03:26 <****> Sellling out at conference X means they have books sitting in the warehouse that they could have sold if they had thought to bring them along, and that an irreplaceable opportunity was squandered.
03:26 <****> What if they -had- brought the books sitting in warehouse and sold those out?
03:27 <****> Then they should have had more sitting in the warehouse.
03:27 <****> mm.
03:27 <****> kay.
03:27 <****> Welp, you're the writer.
03:27 <****> There is nothing good you can say about turning away customers who want to give you their money, but you don't have anything to sell them.\
03:27 <****> Jmax: what's crazy is the calling module fails on the line where the module is used.
03:28 <****> Jmax: it seems to do the error checking at compile time.
03:28 <****> hrm actually that very annoying from the customer side of things ...
03:28 <****> heh.
03:28 * bpalmer is reminded of the case with Baen and Gingrich's alt-history novel.
03:28 <****> Ah, the overwhelming supply theory. OK.
03:28 <****> namely, bookstores insisted on ordering books the publisher was sure wouldn't sell ... and sure enough, the publisher was right.
03:29 <****> Dealing with all the returns almost put the publisher out of business.
03:29 <****> (But it illustrates the incentives the publisher has to err on the side of undersupply)
03:29 <****> bpalmer: Mind, that's probably a publisher who -wouldn't- be able to say "we sold out X book at Y conf" :)
03:30 <****> dwu: well, it's the flipside. The way publishing works when it goes through bookstores is that the stores can almost always return books if they don't sell.
03:31 <****> so the publisher has to deal with the expense of printing, shipping, and storing the books while they try to sell it from the backlist.
03:31 <****> bpalmer: I see your point, actually - retailers aren't the people to suffer. It must be fun being the middleman. :)
03:31 * dwu notes that pre-order for next print is always an option.
03:32 <****> Sell out X book at conf? Fine, put your name on this list, we'll have it to you by Y date.
03:32 <****> I have a nice article about publishing economics at http://blog.plover.com/book/book-economics.html if anyone is interested in the details.
03:32 <****> dwu: "Nah, thanks, I want something to read on the plane home. I'll just get the new O'Reilly book 'Ass-First Java'."
03:33 <****> yrlnry__: actually, yes. thank-you.
03:33 <****> java: where 2+2 = 22!
03:33 <****> yrlnry__: "This is why companies like Amazon can offer such a large discount: there's no store and no distributor." isn't fully accurate
03:33 <****> yrlnry__: they also forced publishers to discount more than is normal
03:33 <****> http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=542441
03:34 <****> readdir() only returns one result when used with Fatal.pm
03:34 <****> Okay.
03:34 <****> Looks like maybe it isn't always 'safe' to use Fatal.pm?
03:34 <****> yrlnry__: which is why a lot of publishers publish through their own site first and only put it on amazon later
03:34 <****> yrlnry__: our business guy used to work in publishing :)
03:34 <****> yrlnry__: As a customer, I'm both likely to a) pre-order if I -really- want the book and it was sold out (have been known to do it for games, etc.) b) buy PBP or something for the plane :)
03:34 <****> yrlnry__: But I'm told I'm a freak.
03:35 <****> *nod*
03:35 <****> DSterling: oi :(
03:35 <****> dwu: FREAK
03:35 <****> pravus: NOT BUYING YOUR BOOK THEN :(
03:35 <****> dwu: no, I preorder things and buy books for planes too :)
03:35 <****> HAHA. FOOLED YOU. I DON'T HAVE A BOOK.
03:36 <****> pravus: THEN YOU DON'T HAVE MY BUSINESS ANYWAY
03:36 <****> Oh dear. dwu mentioned PBP.
03:36 <****> DSterling: Heh :)
03:36 <****> I don't buy books. I make the publishers send them to me for free. :)
03:36 <****> true :(
03:36 <****> YOU GIMME BOOK NOW.
03:36 * iank turns off the internet for the night
03:36 <****> That's a nice perk of being a professor, actually.
03:36 * pravus makes $work buy books.
03:36 <****> yrlnry__: Yeah, we can't all be famous writers. I'll make a note -not- to ever pre-order a book if it's ever sold out, since apparently I -should- have a book if I want it :/
03:36 <****> Publishers are keen to send you all sorts of things, in the hopes that you'll assign it to your students.
03:36 <****> I wish I had time to read more books for $work :(
03:37 <****> dwu: The customer's "should" is not the same as the author's "should".
03:37 <****> Or the publisher's "should".
03:37 <****> I've been meaning to ask for a free copy of "Atlas of Creation".
03:37 <****> I saw on Wikipedia that they gave out thousands of copies.
03:38 <****> They should be willing to give one to me, especially if I tell them I work for the Genomics Institute.
03:38 <****> i dont know, getting pretty wanky: use Fatal qw( open close copy move mkdir opendir closedir );
03:38 <****> good grief there appears to be a lot of markup in publishing...
03:39 <****> NOVARTIS
03:39 <****> yrlnry__: Although it seems to all hinge around more supply than demand.
03:39 <****> pravus: the business is ripe for disintermediation.
03:39 <****> pravus: Hence, Amazon.
03:39 <****> The whole bookselling and distribution chain will be totally different in twenty years.
03:40 <****> duh
03:40 <****> what? its different NOW
03:40 <****> edonkey2k
03:40 <****> i hope so. 100% markup for distribution is unheard-of in many industries.
03:40 <****> Yes, that too.
03:41 <****> not that I would mind paying for it if I had a job,etc
03:41 <****> You heed my words, this Internet thingamabob is going to change everything.
03:41 <****> in 20 years paper will be obsolete due to the whole "save the nature" shit. It will be cheaper to make an electronic notepad than make a sheet of paper.
03:41 <****> They got a "USB Drive Keychain" already.
03:41 <****> 1GB
03:41 <****> False.
03:42 <****> while 20 gallons of super toxic chemicals get dumped into the ocean for every electronic notepad produced
03:42 <****> hell, 10 years ago 1GB space was unheard of for public consumers.
03:42 <****> aren't they up to 4GB or more by now?
03:42 <****> for waht? SD?
03:42 <****> well except many components for the electronic notepad is toxic ...
03:42 <****> Asus EEEPC, nope, they're only at 4GB ;)
03:42 <****> pravus, last time I've seen it in the store, the __keychain__ was 1GB
03:42 <****> hell, work buys us 2GB SD cards for our phones
03:42 <****> Khisanth, FreshCat __now__ not 20 years later.
03:42 <****> Manufacturing of an electronic notepad is a hell of a lot more involved than manufacturing a piece of paper.
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