#perl
03 November 2007
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01:05 <****> awesomess3: nah, no one writes anything in perl
01:05 <****> cheatr: right, because that would be right in line with all of the discussion of dpkg-deb and dh-make-perl :)
01:05 <****> it's a dead language
01:05 <****> rmah: like French!?
01:05 <****> we're only here to dance on perl's grave
01:05 <****> YES
01:05 * rmah boogies
01:05 <****> bon jour: gibberish!
01:06 <****> hobbs: wouldn't it be a little overkill to turn a single file perl script into a module. The only way I could see doing it would be if there was an app to turn a perl script into a module
01:06 <****> heh my company still uses perl for web development
01:06 <****> cheatr: um, no.
01:06 <****> they are switching to java and php
01:06 <****> because perl is dead
01:06 <****> cythrawll: sarcasm
01:06 <****> my company uses perl for pretty much everything
01:06 <****> hobbs: no to the app or no to overkill?
01:06 <****> cythrawll: php? ouch
01:06 <****> cheatr: both.
01:06 <****> bennymack: so your company is undead?
01:06 <****> bennymack, it's better than perl
01:07 <****> perl
01:07 <****> cythrawll--
01:07 <****> for web development
01:07 <****> seriously
01:07 <****> perl runs rings around php
01:07 <****> I am not playing games with you
01:07 <****> cythrawll: seriously, not
01:07 <****> doesn't matter
01:07 <****> for web development. seriously.
01:07 <****> cythrawll: if your programmers have the IQ of cabbage.
01:07 <****> so does java
01:07 <****> cheatr, small modules are okay
01:07 <****> of course php is better than perl, php has 3 letters, perl has 4. it's self obvious that thus, php isi better
01:07 <****> rmah, exactly
01:07 <****> php
01:07 <****> :)
01:07 <****> rmah: and by corollary, "isi" is better than "is" ?
01:07 <****> php's name has been optimized
01:07 <****> shaldannon: well duh
01:07 <****> cythrawll: we are democratic, you can say the bullshit you like :)
01:08 <****> but Java? Java has four letters.. but 'j' does come before 'p'
01:08 <****> and it's recursive
01:08 <****> let's ask Perl
01:08 <****> eval: "Java" gt "Perl"
01:08 <****> Somni: ''
01:08 <****> eval: "PHP" gt "Perl"
01:08 <****> Somni: ''
01:08 <****> eval "Java" gt "Perl" ? 1 : 0
01:08 <****> shaldannon: ''ERROR: Number found where operator expected at (eval 238) line 1, near "1 0"syntax error at (eval 238) line 1, near "1 0"
01:08 <****> eval: "Java" gt "Perl" ? 1 : 0
01:08 <****> shaldannon: 0
01:08 <****> Perl is obviously biased
01:08 <****> shaldannon, in java you would have got that in one try
01:08 <****> :p
01:08 <****> I'm still amused at the Perl wrappers around Java at work. What self-respecting language can't bootstrap itself?
01:08 <****> heh
01:09 <****> cythrawll: ok let's explore this (dead end) avenue. I'm hypothetically programming PHP. I don't want to write *any* sql and I want my app to run on several RDBMs. what are my options?
01:09 <****> haha
01:09 <****> cythrawll: in java, ant would still be recompiling my project
01:09 <****> bennymac2-work, pdo with propel
01:09 <****> bennymac: your options are perl, python or ruby
01:09 <****> shaldannon, that is true
01:09 <****> bennymac: why do you hate SQL?
01:10 <****> what did SQL ever do to you?
01:10 <****> propel the vitamin water from gatorade? Yes I agree there will be plenty of perspiration. Unless I go with perl and use DBIx::Class
01:10 <****> perl + HTML::Template, Mason, Catalyst... any number of things, have all the power of perl, plus the HTML idiot friendliness of PHP
01:10 <****> i hate using those model mappers that make you guilty for wanting to use sql
01:10 <****> cythrawll: yeah, I *like* SQL dammit!
01:10 <****> bennymack, no propel the ORM for php :/
01:10 <****> I don't understand why so many people hate it
01:11 <****> rmah, agreed
01:11 <****> nothing like DBIx::Class (perl) or SQLAlchemy (python)
01:11 <****> cythrawll: there's a reason for the guilt. the same reason you feel guilty for doing platfrom dependent things in Perl or Java
01:11 <****> shaldannon: Catalyst doesn't belong on that list :)
01:11 <****> Khisanth: fair 'nuff :)
01:11 <****> Khisanth: are you anti-catalyst?
01:12 <****> no catalyst isn't a templating engine I think he was getting at
01:12 <****> it's a web framework
01:12 <****> oh, quite
01:12 <****> no, I am anti-idiots-can-use-catalyst
01:12 <****> that can use any of those other templating engines that were mentioned
01:12 <****> heh
01:12 <****> yes, catalyst does have a rather steep learning curve
01:12 * shaldannon is plain anti-idiot
01:12 <****> rmah, any framework does
01:12 <****> this is why I stay away from php
01:13 <****> not as bad as JBoss + Tomcat + Spring + JSP though :-)
01:13 <****> shaldannon: but aren't there web frameworks for PHP?
01:13 <****> rmah: added on top of Perl's rather steep learning curve :)
01:13 <****> awesomess3, only about 1000000000000 of them
01:13 <****> cythrawll: while it has many shortcomings, Rails really does have "easy to learn" thing down
01:13 <****> awesomess3: I dunno...I refuse to soil myself...
01:13 <****> awesomess3: there are a few that make that claim
01:14 <****> rmah: I think that isn't really the best criteria
01:14 <****> rmah, but it doesn't have the control thing down
01:14 <****> like perl does
01:14 <****> Khisanth: I agree, I'm not a big fan of rails myself
01:14 <****> or even php in that matter
01:14 <****> just saying that rails is very easy to learn
01:14 <****> Khisanth: depends whether you want criteria for usefulness or for being OMG TEH NEXT BIG THING
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