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06 November 2007
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--- Log opened Tue Nov 06 00:00:19 2007
00:00 <****> Interesting, new perl user starting with Perl::Critic rather than being told to adopt it.
00:01 <****> Oops, silly laptop running out of battery
00:02 <****> Yes, I started in July so I'm not absolutely brand new, though I heard of Perl::Critic quite early on and found it very appealing
00:03 <****>fetchrow_array)
00:03 <****> when I get to the last row
00:04 <****> apeiron: what are people suggesting instead?
00:04 <****> dondelelcaro, Bottom of the file.
00:04 <****> apeiron: yuck
00:04 * dondelelcaro doesn't agree with that at all
00:04 <****> shrug
00:05 <****> any time that I'm writing documentation and have to cycle between the code and the documentation is rather annoying
00:05 <****> apeiron: what's the rationale?
00:05 <****> dondelelcaro, love Vim and its buffer facility :)
00:05 <****> dondelelcaro, It's all in one place, it's faster to parse.
00:05 <****> Jule_: I use emacs, and it does it too, but it's still anoying
00:05 <****> Heh
00:05 <****> apeiron: you could just as well pre process the source if that's a real argument
00:06 <****> I want to dig my teeth into a large project, I've never had one large enough to even need documentation of sort
00:06 <****> 'course, I probably do use pod to do more functional documentation within modules than end user documentation, since I first and formost write documentation for myself
00:07 <****> Jule, Everything from command line tools to 100k line projects need docs.
00:07 <****> apeiron, true, though it seems most of the stuff I write is throwaway stuff after I've made my use of it anyway
00:09 <****> Anywho, off I go to install Leopard. <3
00:09 <****> The largest thing I ever embarked on was an IRCd in Perl, and I got quite far in that - sadly I lost motivation as I'd solved most of the meaty technical problems and just had to make it conform to IRC protocol better
00:09 <****> apeiron: zebra :(
00:09 <****> And with no practical use whatsoever afterwards, completion seemed pointless :(
00:11 * CPAN upload: Baldrick-0.82 by HUCKE
00:11 <****> i have a string with an embedded variable that changes during runtime, how do i force reinterpolation? something with eval? is there a straightforward way?
00:11 <****> strings don't have embedded variables
00:12 <****> right, so i'd like a template string with a variable that i can interpolate on demand
00:12 <****> myke54142: s///
00:12 <****> myke54142: it's called a "function"
00:12 <****> That too.
00:13 <****> eval: sub template { my $str = shift; "foo $str bar" } template("zomg")
00:13 <****> mauke: foo zomg bar
00:13 <****> I'm not sure what it's called; how do you guys work out what some of these questions mean!
00:13 <****> You get used to it.
00:14 <****> Jule since you solved/dissolved that one quickly enough, we can use your keen solution abilities on world hunger and world peace
00:15 <****> bp31416, what do you suggest I solved?
00:16 <****> Jule world hunger
00:17 <****> Okay, so I solved world hunger?
00:17 * Jule_ steps back slowly..
00:17 <****> That was fast!
00:17 <****> hehe
00:17 <****> perlbot: fnord
00:17 <****> gumbyBRAIN: eval
00:17 <****> [q{"first field""blah""""""blah.
00:17 <****> gumbybrain: eval
00:17 <****> "x" =~ s/a/b/g.
00:18 <****> Jule now we need world peace =P
00:18 <****> ...
00:18 <****> heh.
00:19 <****> I'm sure that world peace may be achieved by extensive use of Perl
00:19 <****> No, canabalism is the solution to both.
00:20 <****> Jule_: Only temporarily
00:20 <****> Eventually, people would get so mad at being out-obfuscated that they'd declare war to prove that they are better.
00:21 <****> You talk like they don't already.
00:22 <****> dwu: Yes, but now we'd have real people with real power doing the warring.
00:22 <****> and cat5 cables
00:23 <****> heh
00:24 <****> Hi all. I need to update perl in topserver (a kind of a suit with apache/php/perl which is already preconfigured and ready to use asap)
00:24 <****> The problem is that I don't know what distro to take
00:24 <****> Sounds like something that would break this topserver crap
00:24 <****> well, I don't care about breaking it because it is already broken :))
00:25 * jagerman adds gasoline
00:25 <****> dwu: have a light?
00:25 <****> Sure.
00:25 * dwu tosses jagerman a zippo.
00:25 <****> There we go. Let's burn away the PHP
00:25 <****> woo.
00:25 <****> In other words, if I need perl 4 win32 which 1 to take?
00:26 <****> fantomas: Perl 4?!
00:26 <****> Juerd: distribution name please
00:26 <****> Yeah, what jagerman said.
00:26 <****> fantomas: If you are competent with Perl, there is strawberry Perl, if you just want a simple exe/msi to click on, activeperl
00:26 <****> jagerman: don't touch PHP! :)
00:26 <****> fantomas: I try not to.
00:26 * CPAN upload: Text-Match-FastAlternatives-0.05 by ARC
00:26 * CPAN upload: App-Addex-0.010 by RJBS
00:26 <****> jagerman: ok, thanks
00:27 <****> fantomas: Is this the thing? http://www.topserver.ru/show.php?part=packs&page=main
00:27 <****> jagerman: but... I see so many options to download on thier site...
00:27 * jagerman shudders at .ru
00:27 <****> kits, shits...
00:27 <****> fantomas: If so, they probably used ActivePerl, because they list 5.6.1 as the version.
00:27 <****> fantomas: You want ActivePerl
00:27 <****> You know
00:27 <****> something about download an .exe from a .ru site concerns me.
00:28 <****> Juerd: and this is the problem. They use outdated stuff!
00:28 <****> GumbyBRAIN: avoid InactivePerl, use ActivePerl! now with 10% more fruit juice inside.
00:28 <****> Activeperl you have to now prepare to be inside an array straight into the portal.
00:28 <****> fantomas: So don't use it at all
00:28 <****> fantomas: Note that code may depend on bugs in 5.6.1, and as such not work on 5.8; consider using the newest version available, but at the same time be prepared to downgrade it.
00:28 <****> fantomas: You can get all those programs individually
00:28 <****> fantomas: In general I would strongly advise against using Windows for servers, but alas...
00:29 <****> jagerman: I personally don't use topserver. I'm on Linux 4 last 5 years and use Apache with Debian and feel myself very good )
00:29 <****> jagerman: That is, under Windows, even more of a mess, than using a complete package.
00:29 <****> Only against using it for servers?
00:29 <****> Linux 4 wasn't released yet.
00:29 <****> s/was/is/
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