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07 November 2007
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--- Log opened Wed Nov 07 00:00:02 2007
--- Day changed Wed Nov 07 2007
00:00 <****> Tomh- : its 8 mb , isnt that enough ?
00:00 <****> _ergo_ apperently not :)
00:00 <****> Tomh-: if i work at home, how do i charge by hour? its not they supervise my working hours?
00:00 <****> but hte file is 200 kb :.
00:00 <****> ToonMariner, it is just a styled <input type="submit"...
00:00 <****> lovre, thats a matter of trust
00:00 <****> lovre you write down hours
00:00 <****> ye
00:00 <****> thats what i do
00:00 <****> Why does it say "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '{', expecting '('" whenever I use "class B extends A"?
00:01 <****> it's not bad idea to write somekind "diary"
00:01 <****> what you have done in each day
00:01 <****> Tomh-: so i say, "my work is 10EUR/h and its estimated to be about 300 hours for this project, but if i see ill need more/less i will inform you in time". is something like that ok?
00:01 <****> also for big projects you want multiple mini milestones on which you deliver a small release and charge an invoice
00:01 <****> ye sure
00:01 <****> Tomh-: i have a meeting with the IT leader on friday
00:01 <****> i would say
00:01 <****> lovre just like that :)
00:02 <****> between 300-700 hours or so
00:02 <****> ToonMariner, this is the form: http://www.stayinventcentralpa.com/post_internship.php (I turned off the mailing part, and if you turn of JS it won't validate most of the fields so feel free to give it a try)
00:02 <****> if you only tell the lowerbound
00:02 <****> lovre also remember that you can include breaks to it
00:02 <****> they assume its gonna cost them 10*300
00:02 <****> I'm pretty stumped here.
00:02 <****> they will be dissapointed when it takes 700 hours
00:02 <****> not every break but lunch atleast
00:02 <****> i dont charge breaks to my clients
00:02 <****> :D
00:03 <****> Tomh- I do because it's my right :)
00:03 <****> its an actual right in your country?
00:03 <****> (law thingy)
00:03 <****> ye but even to invoice?
00:03 <****> as a employee im entitled to breaks ye
00:03 <****> Tomh- well yeah
00:03 <****> but as freelancer i cant charge
00:04 <****> lunch is working (30min break)
00:04 <****> here not unfortunatly :/
00:04 <****> as a student i make a special contract trough a student service, that takes a percentage to itself. I suppose i dont need to worry about them having to pay this, or should i cut it of my pay?
00:04 <****> not even as employee
00:05 <****> lovre, no idea how that works
00:05 <****> well if I work in firm I actually need to keep 30min lunch break :D
00:05 <****> I violate law if I don't
00:05 <****> but if i were you i would not pay that yourself :P
00:05 <****> :D
00:05 <****> nilon yes here too
00:05 <****> but our boss can say you dont get paid for that 30 min
00:05 <****> my boss does fortunatly
00:05 <****> here he can't
00:06 <****> where do you live?
00:06 <****> finland
00:06 <****> ok
00:06 <****> one more question. I have a friend that owns a firm, is there a possibility i could charge under his firm, and how would i get money from his acc later? Or is it better not to go this way?
00:06 <****> boss pays your food too?
00:06 <****> and he can't even keep me at in work while in that break because then it's violation of law
00:06 <****> lovre, depends on your country laws
00:06 <****> lovre it varies between countries
00:07 <****> i see
00:07 <****> Tomh- no
00:07 <****> or sometimes, but he don't need to
00:07 <****> my boss pays my food
00:07 <****> in the future it will be a demand
00:07 <****> no food or i wont work there
00:07 <****> you guys are great, thank you all very much, you have been very helpfull. I will take your advice on EUR/h charging. Thank you again
00:08 <****> lovre, np look up agile development on google sometime
00:08 <****> we sometimes get ticket called "body image", not sure if that's right word of it but dictionary says that it is :P
00:08 <****> body image?
00:08 <****> Tomh-: whats that? agile development?
00:09 <****> lovre, project management for people like you :0
00:09 <****> and me :)
00:09 <****> its software project management done right and realistically
00:09 <****> Tomh- well uh, it's like card that get's somekind amount of money for day
00:09 <****> Tomh-: thank you, i will do my homework :)
00:09 <****> and you can bye something with it
00:09 <****> ok
00:09 <****> like 7e/day
00:10 <****> Tomh-: i allways knew it wouldnt be enough to know programming...
00:10 <****> buy :D
00:10 <****> what is the code that converts line breaks to br? somethign like lb2br......
00:10 <****> lovre, programming only doesn't get you anywere :)
00:10 <****> Tomh-: i see :D
00:10 <****> signature16: nl2br (new line to br)
00:10 <****> yay tahnks
00:11 <****> infact im educating myself in like everything but actual programlanguage knowledge
00:11 <****> there's schools for that :)
00:12 <****> gotta love free education
00:12 <****> well only a crappy school would like force you to memorize languages
00:12 <****> Tomh-: yea, i suppose you can allways learn a language if youre familliar with programming concept, but you cant learn to be a manager
00:12 <****> i think you can learn to be a manager
00:12 <****> Tomh-: im not saying you can't, i ment to say you can't 'easily'
00:12 <****> but my point to not waste my time on memorizing functions is that its not a worthwhile investment
00:12 <****> lapsuis
00:13 <****> btw. how about your schools, do you need to pay anything (food maybe?)
00:13 <****> who
00:13 <****> books, food, and college fee
00:13 <****> and other stuff you need
00:13 <****> basically you pay everything
00:13 <****> where are you at Tomh-?
00:13 <****> alobodig: can you print_r($_POST) on the processing script? let me know hwen you have done it
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